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Shock Reverberates Among Acquaintances of the Young Suspects
2006-08-12
Most of this article is covered in other posts, so I will cut to the interesting part.
In one interview after another, neighbors — Muslim and not — said they, too, could not imagine how young men they knew could be guilty of the crimes they were arrested for. “The people that belong to this mosque, it is not possible they would do these crimes,” said Safdar Hussein, imam of the Jamia Masjid mosque in Birmingham. Tayib Rauf, who was one of the suspects, and his brother Rashid Rauf, who was arrested in Pakistan and said to be an Al Qaeda operative, reportedly attended prayers there. If the Rauf brothers are guilty, “that’s an embarrassment to the community,” he said. “Everyone would be against those people.”
So who are these paragons of virtue, that "it is not possible they would do these crimes,” "
A suspected mastermind of the foiled terror plot to blow up flights between Britain and the US is in jail in Pakistan. Alleged al-Qaeda member Rashid Rauf, 26, is being held over accusations he organised a scheme to commit mass murder by blowing up passenger jets using liquid chemical bombs hidden in hand luggage. Pakistani officials revealed yesterday British-born radical Muslim Rauf was seized near the Afghanistan border on Wednesday. He was arrested outside an Internet cafe after security officials monitoring his movements noticed he was sending unusually high number of text messages to Britain, London's Daily Telegraph reported. Rauf's Pakistani captors named him as a "key person" in the bomb plan and said there were strong indications of an al-Qaeda connection. Accused "Mr Big" Rauf is understood to have lived in Pakistan since leaving Britain after the murder of his uncle Mohammed Saeed, 54, in 2002. The stabbing murder was never solved, and Rauf is wanted for questioning by police over the death.
I think Safdar Hussein, imam of the Jamia Masjid mosque in Birmingham, might have some 'splaining to do. Taqiyya doesn't cut the mustard any more.
Posted by:tipper

#21  More like a unicorn
Posted by: j. D. Lux   2006-08-12 22:31  

#20  Moderate Muslims: Is this the same thing as being apostate?
Posted by: Richard Aubrey   2006-08-12 21:39  

#19  Kalle:

What evidence do you have that Islam, the religion, is not 100% aligned with what Islamofascists are doing?

Personal experience. I am acquainted with a lot of muslims. I don't claim to know everything about the culture. I don't by any means. But I know enough to know which end goes up!
Posted by: gorb   2006-08-12 20:21  

#18  Like what President Lincoln supposedly said: you can fool some of the people all the time...
Posted by: Ptah   2006-08-12 19:51  

#17  That's nice to know Deacon, we're hearing more stories of people in the MSM starting to call a spade a spade. Also check out the thread on the Robert Spencer interview for more good news.
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2006-08-12 19:01  

#16  ed, that's almost word for word what the CAIR spokesman said on Fox this morning. He also tried to run the ole' "These were poor, marginalized Muslims". The Fox interviewer smacked him down with the facts that most of these were middle-class and better.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2006-08-12 18:53  

#15  gorb, you claim that Islamofascists have perverted Islam, the religion.

What evidence do you have that Islam, the religion, is not 100% aligned with what Islamofascists are doing?
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2006-08-12 16:12  

#14  I wish "the good muzzie community" would quit blowing smoke up our asses like we just fell off the god damn turnip truck.

Me, too. The problem is: It works! It's also good for internal consumption and seething generation among the fence-sitters and those with extremist tendencies. It's like it's being used as a tool to avoid the inconvenience of being detained or the perceived insult of being under suspicion. "If you don't leave me alone no matter what, I'm going to do my part to generate terrorists!". Duh. It should be "How can I help so we can all get back to normal more quickly?". Smart.

I remember when that Egypt Air flight went down. The only people at the controls were muslim. The whole crew was muslim. The cockpit voice recorder had the crew members fighting that one crazy alternate pilot after he shut down the engines. There was no mistaking the logical conclusion, but all the muslim translators wanted to censor and veil what was said behind some bull$hit "cultural interpretation" of the words that were used. There was an outcry around the world from muslims that it was impossible for a muslim to be suicidal because it was against muslim law. Duh. The seniment was/is nice, that they want to distance themselves from it. I do appreciate that a lot. But I would appreciate it even more if they could own up to the fact that there among all populations there are nutcases, including muslims (belive it or not!) despite what islamic law says. That's why some clever guy recognized a need for the word "insane" long ago. If everybody, especially muslims, could accept this, it would make everyone's job easier.

And two: A big part of this War on Terror is that moderate muslims have to take a little time to understand a few key points about western society. I don't see much being done about that. Or if it is, it's not being done right. Muslims are way too sensitive about just about everything done in order to protect our society. What do they expect? What would an Islamic society do to non-muslims if they were the terrorists? They are lucky they are living here and not the other way around. I think they need some confidence that they are just understandably under suspicion. Even muslims are suspicious about other muslims. The guy who figured this liquid bomb plot out and tipped authorities was muslim. Cool! I also have my suspicions that the vast majority of muslims would have turned the plotters in. The fact that these terror cells are so secretive attests to this. But I don't seem to be getting any implicit understanding or credit for that. There are going to be false arrests, and many are going to be "felony" style arrests because of the risks involved and what is at stake. This has to be accepted. Sometimes the guy doing the arresting is going to have his foot on the other guy's back. Sorry for the perceived insult due to cultural difference, but it has to be this way unless the terrorists decide to play nice. Muslims will have to understand this as much as they ask me to understand their culture.

And yet another thing: There is a segment of muslim society that doesn't want to see Islamic law changed. They have perverted the religion in a way that makes it lawful to take advantage of others, especially females, kids, and non-muslims. They like it that way and don't want to let go of it. Those muslims who I am talking about know what I mean, and they won't talk to it directly with anyone but those who share their views. There are others who in allowing things to change to be more the way it was intended would have to admit that the corner of islam that they grew up in is full of $hit. Taking care of this aspect is going to have to be part of the solution, too.

Any ideas for or against?
Posted by: gorb   2006-08-12 16:01  

#13  they, too, could not imagine how young men they knew could be guilty of the crimes they were arrested for.

And a substantial portion of the Arab world still cannot "imagine" that bin Laden planned or Saudi perpetrators actually committed the 9-11 atrocity. In the usual routine of swallowing Islamic camels whole and strangling upon Zionist gnats, these same people are just as willing to believe that America's president would order up such an atrocity against his own country, or that out Jewish allies plotted this heinous crime.

We'll leave out any comment regarding the mandatory add-on of "and America deserved it, too."

I think, more than anything, this epitomizes just how unconcerned "Moderate Muslims™" are with respect to the jihadist bile being spewed within their midst. Their credulous attitude reflects an unhealthy lack of questioning upon their part (see the swallowing/strangling equation above), an unwillingness to further scrutinize their leadership (back to the old; "one of us is an apostate" problem), even in the face of mounting evidence that their entire religion is being perverted beyond all recognition (i.e., a constant string of Islamist atrocities).

This is why I no longer have any respect for so-called "Moderate Muslims™". They have largely become unquestioning participants, silent facilitators or willing proponents of those who seek the ascendancy of Islam. Put another way:

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN 25% OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION WANTS TO BECOME 100% OF ITS RELIGION.

Examine closely the above equation and decide which side of it can be nulled without undue stress to our planet.
Posted by: Zenster   2006-08-12 15:41  

#12  You never anybody say after the fact: "I knew those kids were up to no good and I hope they burn in hell."
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-08-12 15:09  

#11  Yes.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-12 14:23  

#10  "Corruption in the earth" if I understood correctly at the time would be "acting against the law of allan", IE not accpeting old mo.
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-08-12 14:21  

#9  And whoever saves a life is as though he had saved the lives of all humanity

The context is Mo addressing the Jews that if they resist "they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.". Not so peaceful when put in context.

5:32 For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.

5:33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;

5:34 Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-12 13:45  

#8  "He was such a nice young man..."
Posted by: N guard   2006-08-12 13:18  

#7  My gosh, who would have ever thought these fine young men would do something like this. It must have been that the Brits abused their sorry little ungrateful asses. I wish "the good muzzie community" would quit blowing smoke up our asses like we just fell off the god damn turnip truck.
Posted by: JohnQC   2006-08-12 12:50  

#6  And whoever saves a life is as though he had saved the lives of all humanity

Funny, there was instances when this quote was used in public by french Moderate Muslim Leaders, and each time they actually misquoted the al k'o'ra'n verse from which it is extracted (and which sez that, except for the people who act against islam, basically, who are fair gaime for any kind of violent punishment as per usual k'oran' methodology).

So, either these guys, including the head of the mosque of Paris, are ignorant about the Hadiths(Tm), or they lied on purpose to the infidels, straight to galouzeau "de villepin"'s face.

Gee, I wonder what it is?
Posted by: anonymous5089   2006-08-12 12:50  

#5  "Those who would do this are not muslims. A muslim could never do such a thing. Whosoever kills a human being is as though he had killed all humanity. And whoever saves a life is as though he had saved the lives of all humanity."

Well, I think the problem lies in that they don't count all people as "Human Beings". e.g. Women, Jews, Adherents of other religions, adherents of their own religion that the happen not to agree with on a point of religious theory, someone who looked at your wife(s) or child improperly, someone who looked at your property improperly, and any one of a million other disqualifying attributes.
Posted by: Mark E.   2006-08-12 12:48  

#4  What? No Zionist plot?
Posted by: Raj   2006-08-12 12:48  

#3  Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Seafarious   2006-08-12 12:30  

#2  Those who would do this are not muslims. A muslim could never do such a thing. Whosoever kills a human being is as though he had killed all humanity. And whoever saves a life is as though he had saved the lives of all humanity. Yadda, Yadda. Taquitos.
Posted by: ed   2006-08-12 12:25  

#1  These statements are the alt-F4 macro on the typical Islamist laptop...
Posted by: Seafarious   2006-08-12 12:07  

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