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| Flashback 3,500 Years: Israel Battles South Lebanon |
| 2006-08-03 |
| For over 2000 years, Israel did not exist until 1948. Israel has had to fight to maintain it's status as a nation since then, just as it had to fight to establish itself the first time it became a nation, 1500 years BC. At that time Israel even had to fight Anakims (giants) in Southern Lebanon, and today they went into Baalbek, known as Baalgil in the account of that first battle. That also was when Joshua asked God for more daylight during one of the battles, and the "Sun stood still" during the fight in Southern Lebanon. JOSHUA 11:16 So Joshua took all that land, the hills, and all the south country, and all the land of Goshen, and the valley, and the plain, and the mountain of Israel, and the valley of the same; JOSHUA 11:17 Even from the mount Halak, that goeth up to Seir, even unto Baalgad (Baalbek?) in the valley of Lebanon under mount Hermon: and all their kings he took, and smote them, and slew them. JOSHUA 11:18 Joshua made war a long time with all those kings. JOSHUA 11:19 There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. JOSHUA 11:20 For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses. JOSHUA 11:21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims* from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities. JOSHUA 11:22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained. JOSHUA 11:23 So Joshua took the whole land, according to all that the LORD said unto Moses; and Joshua gave it for an inheritance unto Israel according to their divisions by their tribes. And the land rested from war. *Hebrew "anakim" = "giants." |
| Posted by:Spavigum Glinens9851 |
| #10 I hope Danielle has only 5 fingers. Would be hard to get a date with six, wouldn't it? 1 Chronicles 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. 1 Chronicles 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot and he also was the son of the giant. |
| Posted by: Spavigum Glinens9851 2006-08-03 18:43 |
| #9 "finger tips" Five right, not six? |
| Posted by: Besoeker 2006-08-03 16:55 |
| #8 I have read the Old testament a bit, but I have a good memory and great software at my finger tips. |
| Posted by: Danielle 2006-08-03 16:52 |
| #7 Another course I'm auditing at Rantburg U! |
| Posted by: Sherry 2006-08-03 16:49 |
| #6 Interesting side point: Goliath was a Gittite, i.e., he was from Gath. Sometimes called Gath-Hepher. Gues where it is today? That's right. Gaza City. |
| Posted by: mcsegeek1 2006-08-03 15:10 |
| #5 Of Course.... If those giants remained to this day, Lebanon would have one heckuv-an Olympic Basketball team... |
| Posted by: BigEd 2006-08-03 12:45 |
| #4 Wow, Danielle. Read the Old Testament a LOT in your free time? I'm impressed. |
| Posted by: BA 2006-08-03 12:31 |
| #3 Giants are thought to be descendents of the Nephilim, rebellious angels who interbred with human women in Genesis 6. This brought on the destruction of the world by the Flood. Somewhere, one of the giants is said to have six toes....my 6' sister-in-law had her's surgically removed as a baby! Actually, the problems today in Israel are because the Israelites disobeyed God's command to destroy the inhabitants and not intermarry with them....it's a curse. Time for Israel to finish the job, I think. Here's more info on the word translated as 'giants: (1.) Heb. nephilim, meaning “violent” or “causing to fall” (Gen. 6:4). These were the violent tyrants of those days, those who fell upon others. The word may also be derived from a root signifying “wonder,” and hence “monsters” or “prodigies.” In Num. 13:33 this name is given to a Canaanitish tribe, a race of large stature, “the sons of Anak.” The Revised Version, in these passages, simply transliterates the original, and reads “Nephilim.” (2.) Heb. rephaim, a race of giants (Deut. 3:11) who lived on the east of Jordan, from whom was descended. They were probably the original inhabitants of the land before the immigration of the Canaanites. They were conquered by Chedorlaomer (Gen. 14:5), and their territories were promised as a possession to Abraham (Gen. 15:20). The Anakim, Zuzim, and Emim were branches of this stock. In Job 26:5 (R.V., “they that are deceased;” marg., “the shades,” the “Rephaim”) and Isa. 14:9 this Hebrew word is rendered (A.V.) “dead.” It means here “the shades,” the departed spirits in Sheol. In 2 Sam. 21:16, 18, 20, 33, “the giant” is (A.V.) the rendering of the singular form ha raphah, which may possibly be the name of the father of the four giants referred to here, or of the founder of the Rephaim. The Vulgate here reads “Arapha,” whence Milton (in Samson Agonistes) has borrowed the name “Harapha.” (See also 1 Chron. 20:5, 6, 8; Deut. 2:11, 20; 3:13; Josh. 15:8, etc., where the word is similarly rendered “giant.”) It is rendered “dead” in (A.V.) Ps. 88:10; Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16: in all these places the Revised Version marg. has “the shades.” (See also Isa. 26:14.) (3.) Heb. 'Anakim (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21; Josh. 11:21, 22; 14:12, 15; called “sons of Anak,” Num. 13:33; “children of Anak,” Num. 13:22; Josh. 15:14), a nomad race of giants descended from Arba (Josh. 14:15), the father of Anak, that dwelt in the south of Palestine near Hebron (Gen. 23:2; Josh. 15:13). They were a Cushite tribe of the same race as the Philistines and the Egyptian shepherd kings. David on several occasions encountered them (2 Sam. 21:15-22). From this race sprung Goliath (1 Sam. 17:4). (4.) Heb. 'emin, a warlike tribe of the ancient Canaanites. They were “great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims” (Gen. 14:5; Deut. 2:10, 11). ( |
| Posted by: Danielle 2006-08-03 12:05 |
| #2 If you go WAAAAAY back, it was probably a lot more common to have giants back then. According to Biblical accounts, Goliath (of David & Goliath fame) stood around 9 feet tall. Real Old Testament passages state that people often lived to be several hundred years old. Not sure exactly who these giants' descendants would be today, but they probably came from somewhere in Iraq would be my (non-scientific) guess. Of course, if you go back to the beginning (or almost the beginning) of the Bible, this whole Arab vs. Jew thing started because of squabbles between Isaac (the one God favored) and his stepbrother Ishmael (predecessor of the Arabs basically), whom the Bible calls a wild man and said would war against his brother (and their descendants, the Jews) for almost eternity. The Muslims (in the Koran) changed the God-favored son to be Ishmael (of course), whereas the Torah and the Bible both say it was Isaac (Abraham's son by his wife, Sarai or Sarah). Ishmael was an illegitimate step-son of Abraham by Sarai's maid, Hagar. So, you see, it's all an internal family squabble blown up exponentially. |
| Posted by: BA 2006-08-03 08:29 |
| #1 Interesting. Any idea why 'giants', i.e. who the giants were? Not Arabs because they were still fondling camels in the Arabian desert. |
| Posted by: phil_b 2006-08-03 07:21 |