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Olde Tyme Religion
Why are Muslims not integrating into Western societies?
2006-07-01
Former treasury secretary John Stone, at a Quadrant dinner on Wednesday, on the perils of Islamic culture
WE need to understand that the core of the Muslim problem - for the world, not merely for Australia - lies in the essence of Islam.

It is the problem of a culture that, for the past 500 years or so at least, has failed its adherents as its inward-looking theocracy has resulted in it falling further and further behind the West.

It is that sense of cultural failure (and) smouldering resentment that fuels the fires so busily stoked by the more extremist Muslim teachers. Fiercely exclusive rather than inclusive, Islam holds that church and state are inseparable; that women, while respected so long as they stick to their appointed place in the Islamic scheme of things, are less than equal to men generally; and that even the most extreme violence is justifiable when applied in pursuit of approved Islamic ends.

Until all that changes - and it can only be changed from within Islam, if indeed it can be changed at all - the Islamic culture will never reside in harmony with others.

This is where all those comfortable (one might even call them lazy) assumptions about our own Muslim community break down. Contrary to those assumptions, I do not believe that this latest body of newcomers among us will emulate the examples of their predecessors from, say, Italy, Greece, Poland, the Baltic states or, more recently, Vietnam, Hong Kong and China.

How can it be possible for them to become part of a united Australia when any Muslim woman who wishes to marry out risks not merely social and familial ostracism but outright violence, even death by way of honour killings, by her father or her brothers? Almost without exception, the only marriages occurring in Australia today between Muslims and non-Muslims involve conversion to Islam of the latter.

The high priests and priestesses of multiculturalism should not be surprised by this. It is, after all, a product - admittedly, an extreme one - of policies they have been espousing with such religious zeal for 30 years or more.

This reality of separateness, however, does not stop at the marriage line.

While individual ethnic communities throughout our post-war history have always tended to cluster together at first, gradually they have dispersed. My very nice next-door neighbours are Chinese, as are two other families down the street who, together with an Assyrian family, make up our own little example of that diversity of which our politicians so blandly prate.

So far as I can see, however, Muslims do not so much move out as move in.

In communities where large numbers of Muslims gather, non-Muslims are gradually driven out. It is then not long before there are established no-go areas where Muslim gangs flourish on the proceeds of drugs, extortion, armed robbery and so on.

In turn, as the host country's own laws are set aside in these no-go areas, there develop demands for the recognition of these areas as small states within the state, to be governed by sharia law, administered not by national courts but by sharia-type courts overseen by local imams.

In France, we have begun to see the ultimate expression of such developments. There, a public official is reported to have agreed to meet an imam outside the predominantly Muslim district of Roubaix which, according to the imam, was Islamic territory and closed to non-Muslims.

Similar demands can already be heard in Britain. To a more limited extent (so far), we have begun to hear them in Australia.
Posted by:anonymous5089

#3  As with failed Communism and Secular Socialism, the failed and failing, primitivist, self/ideo-proclaimed "final/ultimate form-model" for all mankind canot be the one whom concedes to successful or powerful "inferior/lower" forms-models. The Failed must control the Successful, Failed Superior-Final the Successful Inferior-Lower, the Weak the Strong - a significant prob wid Socialism is that the Weak gener stay weak despite temporary, random periods of success, i.e. no upward escalatory positivist proactivist "universal progress" [the Masses] save only for the handful of ruling elites, AND NEVER WILL BE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2006-07-01 22:34  

#2  I really don't give a rat's rearend about islam and it's demented inability to integrate into a society that has progressed beyond the 7th century. If they break the law, put them in prison. If they refuse to let government officials into their neighborhood, bring out the D-9s. I am sick to my stomach as we culturally kiss islam's collective butt while they support, either directly or indirectly, the killing of US troops, and downfall of western socity in general.
Posted by: anymouse   2006-07-01 16:27  

#1  It's a problem we have to face.

Darwin doesn't care which organizm is nice to gays and sings kumbaya. It only distinguishes between weak and strong. Liberalism is weak and passive. Islamic culture is predatory and united.
Posted by: 2b   2006-07-01 15:31  

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