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Fifth Column
We have our NSA leak and his is a nutjob!
2006-01-11
When we left him Russ Tice was claiming that he got canned for trying to uncover a spy at first NSA and then DIA (he is not quite sure). Russ says that is how NSA “takes care of troublemakers.” But Russ knew that he was on a holy mission to save the world from the evil Bushitler regime.... Now Russ has sealed his fate (I hope) but acknowledging he was the source of the story that ran in the NYT. I know I don’t have the vast resources of the NYT but don’t you think they would check out ole Russ’s story and maybe his background? I watched the video and if the AG wants to lock him up he gave them ample evidence. I only hope that Bush and Gonzo don’t flinch and let this guy off the hook. Trust me you throw a few jabbers in jail and they will stop.
Posted by:Cyber Sarge

#8  SPoD: They don't shoot nut jobs so they will just lock him up.

Hell, they don't shoot anyone anymore where treason is concerned. If outright carrying weapons against your own country on the battlefield (a la Johnny Jihad) won't do it, I can't think of anything short of mass assassination that will.
Posted by: Xbalanke   2006-01-11 17:36  

#7  They don't shoot nut jobs so they will just lock him up.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2006-01-11 15:41  

#6  Thanks for the comments.

I would assume there is a pretty high tolerance for eccentricity at a place like NSA and being a head case can, I believe, be correlated with the the mathematical and logic skills necessary to do some of the work they do.

How can he claim that these revelations did not involve classified info? He needs a lawyer to avoid a firing squad based on my reading of the law from articles. What am I missing?
Posted by: JAB   2006-01-11 13:56  

#5  Cyber Sarge:

You forgot to mention that the "paranoid and delusional" but yet undiagosed are still good-to-go at DIA, lol. It's only after you go to the doc that your troubles actually start.
Posted by: Creck Ulagum6581   2006-01-11 13:36  

#4  Tice got canned because AFTER the DIA investigated the matter he accused the DIA officers as accomplices. It was after that point that the agency sends Russ to talk it over with a head doctor. The Doctor diagnosed Russell as “paranoid” delusional. The agency usually doesn’t let people keep their clearances after they have been diagnosed as CRAZY. I have a sneaking suspicion that Russ was suffering before 2000 and then caught a case of BDS. The nutty just keep getting nuttier!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge   2006-01-11 13:32  

#3  Nothing is new.

BERNON MITCHELL AND WILLIAM MARTIN, 2 NSA traitors and defectors, end 1960.

We know from working at NSA [that] the United States reads the secret communications of more than forty nations, including its own allies... Both enciphered and plain text communications are monitored from almost every nation in the world, including the nations on whose soil the intercept bases are located
Posted by: Ulotle Wholuse7269   2006-01-11 13:21  

#2  I like this quote:
"The mentality was we need to get these guys, and we're going to do whatever it takes to get them,"
Like that's a bad thing after we had smoking holes in New York and Arlington.

As best as I can tell Tice did not follow proper procedures for 'whistleblowers', he is whining about something that was reviewed by DOJ with NSA counsel and Congress, and legal expertise was not in his job description.

Also, it's pretty clear in the law that call detail records do not carry any expectation of privacy and 'vaccuming' bulk traffic contents without any post processing is not functionally, or legally, equivalent to a 'wiretap' unless and until the contents of a particular call are analyzed. So he is way out of line on many dimensions. How can a loose cannon like this get so much responsibility?
Posted by: JAB   2006-01-11 13:15  

#1  As I understand it, Tice said that a colleague was a ChiCom spy and the government was hiding it and calling him mentally unstable.

Any way we at Rantburg can check this and/or shed light on how a place like NSA and DIA handle complaints like this. I'd assume there is a counterintelligence function that would take such charges very seriously regardless of the who's president.

It does seem like Tice really could not have known much about the intercepts in question, but if he's typical of the sources used by Risen, then the guy is a liar as well as a traitor.
Posted by: JAB   2006-01-11 13:08  

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