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India-Pakistan
"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter..."
2005-12-28
Headlined on Yahoo News. Not EFL.
Nazir Ahmed appears calm and unrepentant as he recounts how he slit the throats of his three young daughters and their 25-year old stepsister to salvage his family's "honor" — a crime that shocked Pakistan. The 40-year old laborer, speaking to The Associated Press in police detention as he was being shifted to prison, confessed to just one regret — that he didn't murder the stepsister's alleged lover too.

Hundreds of girls and women are murdered by male relatives each year in this conservative Islamic nation, and rights groups said Wednesday such "honor killings" will only stop when authorities get serious about punishing perpetrators. The independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan said that in more than half of such cases that make it to court, most end with cash settlements paid by relatives to the victims' families, although under a law passed last year, the minimum penalty is 10 years, the maximum death by hanging.

Ahmed's killing spree — witnessed by his wife Rehmat Bibi as she cradled their 3 month-old baby son — happened Friday night at their home in the cotton-growing village of Gago Mandi in eastern Punjab province.

It is the latest of more than 260 such honor killings documented by the rights commission, mostly from media reports, during the first 11 months of 2005.

Bibi recounted how she was woken by a shriek as Ahmed put his hand to the mouth of his stepdaughter Muqadas and cut her throat with a machete. Bibi looked helplessly on from the corner of the room as he then killed the three girls — Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4 — pausing between the slayings to brandish the bloodstained knife at his wife, warning her not to intervene or raise alarm. "I was shivering with fear. I did not know how to save my daughters," Bibi, sobbing, told AP by phone from the village. "I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"

"The whole night the bodies of my daughters lay in front of me," she said.

The next morning, Ahmed was arrested. Speaking to AP in the back of police pickup truck late Tuesday as he was shifted to a prison in the city of Multan, Ahmed showed no contrition. Appearing disheveled but composed, he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up. He said he bought a butcher's knife and a machete after midday prayers on Friday and hid them in the house where he carried out the killings. "I thought the younger girls would do what their eldest sister had done, so they should be eliminated," he said, his hands cuffed, his face unshaven. "We are poor people and we have nothing else to protect but our honor."

Despite Ahmed's contention that Muqadas had committed adultery — a claim made by her husband — the rights commission reported that according to local people, Muqadas had fled her husband because he had abused her and forced her to work in a brick-making factory. Police have said they do not know the identity or whereabouts of Muqadas' alleged lover. Muqadas was Bibi's daughter by her first marriage to Ahmed's brother, who died 14 years ago. Ahmed married his brother's widow, as is customary under Islamic tradition.

"Women are treated as property and those committing crimes against them do not get punished," said the rights commission's director, Kamla Hyat. "The steps taken by our government have made no real difference." Activists accuse President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, a self-styled moderate Muslim, of reluctance to reform outdated Islamized laws that make it difficult to secure convictions in rape, acid attacks and other cases of violence against women. They say police are often reluctant to prosecute, regarding such crimes as family disputes.

Statistics on honor killings are confused and imprecise, but figures from the rights commission's Web site and its officials show a marked reduction in cases this year: 267 in the first 11 months of 2005, compared with 579 during all of 2004. The Ministry of Women's Development said it had no reliable figures. Ijaz Elahi, the ministry's joint secretary, said the violence was decreasing and that increasing numbers of victims were reporting incidents to police or the media. Laws, including one passed last year to beef up penalties for honor killings, had been toughened, she said. Police in Multan said they would complete their investigation into Ahmed's case in the next two weeks and that he faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood.

Ahmed, who did not resist arrest, was unrepentant.

"I told the police that I am an honorable father and I slaughtered my dishonored daughter and the three other girls," he said. "I wish that I get a chance to eliminate the boy she ran away with and set his home on fire."
Posted by:Seafarious

#20  Islam truely is nothing more than a death cult. This is also why muslims can't be allowed to become more than a small percentage of any country's population.
Posted by: Snoth Ulomosh7586   2005-12-28 22:31  

#19  he said he killed Muqadas because she had committed adultery, and his daughters because he didn't want them to do the same when they grew up
what a wickedly stupid foul decaying piece of rancid BS. The flies swarming over the BS have more morals than this low life. Honor?! BS.
The mind set here is just unbelievable.
Posted by: Jan   2005-12-28 20:38  

#18  Just eradicate them all. Harsh? Hell yes. But can we tolerate a nation state that tolerates and winks and nods at this in our modern world? It appears that at least half of us if not more are females on this planet. Females whom deserve justice and human rights like the rest of us in the modern world. Cultures, sects and religions that don't program don't get to survive. Welcome to the 21st century.

Insert catchy phrase about taking off and nuking them from space here.
Posted by: Mahou Sensei Negi-bozu   2005-12-28 20:04  

#17  "Send Lynndie England and her leash over there maybe?"

A great idea!!! I'm thinking pay-per-view!!!
Posted by: Mark E.   2005-12-28 17:56  

#16  Moose - *applause*

It would do the job. No matter how much I may disagree with you over the odd point now and then, I would not wish Pervy's job on you to pull this off. Now if you could be the power behind Pervy's throne, from afar, to make something like this happen, and you were very well compensated for it, well now, then we'd be talking, lol.

A most excellent post! Putting Abu Musab Bros. & Shari'a out of business is Job 1 in civilization's death match with Islam. Certainly we can argue about what color the wheel should be, but only after we invent it.
Posted by: .com   2005-12-28 17:56  

#15  Send Lynndie England and her leash over there maybe?
Posted by: Hank   2005-12-28 17:50  

#14  So, what should be done about this man is to have *women* publicly humiliate, scorn and control him.

That would be unislamic.
It suggests that women are equal.

In islam a woman's testimony is only worth half that of a man.
Men don't wear hijab...
etc

Honor killings reinforce the social structure in Pakiland.
They're only a problem now because we kafirs get to read about it thanks to the TV and Internet.
It makes the Pak elite uncomfortable.

Posted by: john   2005-12-28 17:49  

#13  A practical solution to "honor" killings is simply to make the punishment as "dishonorable" as possible.

Hear me out. In cultures that are obsessive about "honor", just hanging the bad boy won't dissuade others from doing the same. However, they *do* respond if they are terribly shamed after the fact.

As an comparative example, in Japan there was an epidemic of people committing suicide by throwing themselves from subway platforms in front of speeding trains. The Japanese government stopped it, overnight, by installing mirrors to face the platform. The suicides had to look at themselves first, and this was intolerable in their culture. They just couldn't do it that way anymore.

So, what should be done about this man is to have *women* publicly humiliate, scorn and control him.

Literally, have him stripped down to his breech cloth, shave his beard off, then have women laugh, shout, curse at him, and intermittently flog him as they yell about how inferior he is as a man, how weak he is, what a wimp he is and unfit to be a husband or father. AT LENGTH. On national television. Hopefully, he would curl up in a ball and start crying and hiding his face in shame.

Believe me, it wouldn't be hard to find women to volunteer to do this job.

But do this a few times and not only would every woman killer in the country have a collective case of the hershey-squirts in fear, but it would be the most popular DVD for women in the country.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2005-12-28 17:43  

#12  So then, how likely is it that Pakistan was really "shocked" by this crime?

Nothing shocks pakis. Check out the 4th picture on the first link.
That child's limb was sliced off neatly by Pak army soldiers..

Link 1

Link 2

Posted by: john   2005-12-28 16:46  

#11  No, Just kill him and bury him in the skin of a pig.
Posted by: Gleang Ebbavique7487   2005-12-28 16:39  

#10  The pakistani "honor and dignity" is intimately tied up with control and power relationships...

So then, how likely is it that Pakistan was really "shocked" by this crime?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-12-28 16:38  

#9  this family has no honor to be saved. Savages. Kill him now, in the public square, tied and tethered and bled like a pig
Posted by: Frank G   2005-12-28 16:37  

#8  A Taste of Shari'a

Available in PAL, SECAM & NTSC. Discounts for Senior al Qaeda, Wahhabi Imams, budding muttawa, and other True Believers™. Don't forget to visit our Cutlery and Acid Depts! At Abu Musab Bros, expect nothing but the finest in Shari'a.
Posted by: .com   2005-12-28 16:26  

#7  Also, is it too much to hope that down the road, since the Pak govt is cowardly about this, soemone will take the manner into their own hands, and this guy will become instant worm food...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-12-28 16:22  

#6  killed the three girls — Bano, 8, Sumaira, 7, and Humaira, 4...

Its a good thing he's over there or I'd do some "HONOR KILLING" of my own...

Why couldn't Saddahm's paper shredder be used on a guy like this feet first?

"I begged my husband to spare my daughters but he said, 'If you make a noise, I will kill you.'"

Does anyone believe that this man is truly not a human being? In fact dogs and cats are a higher form of life than this piece of putrid manure.


"Let me have Nazir Ahmed's liver with fava beans and a nice Chianti!"

I got "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam and the Crusades" by Spencer, and am reading it now.

So a story like this really sets me off...
Posted by: BigEd   2005-12-28 16:15  

#5  "...faces the death sentence if he is convicted for the killings and terrorizing his neighborhood..."
Those Waki Pakis! Terrorizing a neighborhood is a crime, but terrorizing another country is fair enough.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-12-28 16:14  

#4  A Father's got to do what a Father's got to do.
Posted by: Jim Anderson   2005-12-28 16:10  

#3  The pakistani "honor and dignity" is intimately tied up with control and power relationships...

The entire country exists because a muslim minority could not live in peace with other people.

They needed to dominate.

The current wave of islamist stems from this.. the defeats inflicted by the British against the Mughal and Ottoman empires.. this created the Deoband madrassa and the muslim brotherhood...

The elites lost their feudal rights. The muslim bureacrats lost their reserved jobs and priviledges...
Posted by: john   2005-12-28 16:09  

#2  The Friday prayers thing was what caught my eye. The imam must've been holy rollering for all he was worth...an' mebbe the son-in-law's brick factory was a bit too successful, mebbe cut into some of the holy man's other ventures. Just maybe.
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-12-28 15:57  

#1  This was not about "Honor" but about control. He found he couldn't control what his daughter did so he murdered her. He didn't want to possibly go through the same things again with his other daughters so he murdered them to. An ounce of prevention, dontcha know.
Posted by: Deacon Blues   2005-12-28 15:52  

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