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CIA operated 400-plus secret flights in Germany?
2005-12-04
BERLIN - The German government has a list of at least 437 flights operated by the US Central Intelligence Agency in German airspace, the news magazine Der Spiegel claimed in its edition to be published on Monday.

The number includes both movements by planes of the CIA spy agency in German airspace and landings at German airports, it says. “Such planes could be used to transfer presumed terrorists and place them in secret locations,” Der Spiegel writes.
Or moving our own people, or freight, or other stuff. The CIA uses planes for all sorts of things; you'd be amazed. Wanna see the freight manifestos?
Der Spiegel says that in 2002 and 2003 two CIA aircraft alone accounted for 137 and 146 uses of German airspace or landings, chiefly at Frankfurt in the west, Berlin or the US base at Ramstein in western Germany.
"We've been evacuating baby ducks from Afghanistan. They're on the endangered species list. Sssssh."
In an interview published on Saturday in the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper the secretary general of the German branch of the human rights organisation Amnesty International claimed the German government knew of the CIA flights.

Der Spiegel said the government was worried that the affair could prompt a fundamental debate about the use of German airspace by US planes for the war in Iraq and the basing of US troops in Germany. Berlin has also been asked to inform the 46-member Council of Europe by February 21 what action it has undertaken in specific cases of “kidnappings” after being told about them, the magazine says.
Why, wait for proof, of course.
Posted by:Steve White

#6  Auf Weidersen?
Posted by: Frank G   2005-12-04 21:29  

#5  The Germans around Kaiserslaughtern want the Americans to stay. Most of the Germans in Frankfurt are upset that Rhein-Main is closing. The people of Berlin are split. Several German cities have already lost their American bases, and are screaming about it. The government is filled with socialists, former communists, Greens, and other idiots, and want the Americans out. Guess what the decision will be.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-12-04 21:11  

#4  If we were to simply pack up and leave, I wonder how long it would be before the Europeans would be at one another's throats again?
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-12-04 20:31  

#3  Their position strikes me as wanting no American bases there at all.
Posted by: lotp   2005-12-04 20:23  

#2  Poland, Romania, et al beckon, with cheaper infrastructure and more grateful populaces...
Posted by: Frank G   2005-12-04 20:23  

#1  the affair could prompt a fundamental debate about the use of German airspace by US planes for the war in Iraq and the basing of US troops in Germany.

So Der Spiegel wants a discussion about whether American airplanes can fly through the air to get to American bases? Their position stikes me as unsound and, more importantly, unwise.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-12-04 20:20  

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