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| Iraq |
| Ugly Realities |
| 2005-11-17 |
| November 17, 2005: Near the Syrian border, the town of Obeidi was the scene of a fierce battle. Terrorists were trapped there, and forced to fight. Over 80 were killed in several days of fighting. At least five unexploded car bombs were seized, and bomb workshops, safe houses and weapons supplies were found as well. Meanwhile, Sunni Arab politicians are demanding that U.S. and Iraqi troops cease their attacks in western Iraq, because of the civilian casualties, the success of the operations and, while Sunni Arabs don't want to discuss it, the many revelations that terrorists are indeed based in these Sunni Arab areas. The Sunni Arabs want the army out, and promise that they will take care of the terrorist problem. While there is some truth to this, past experience has shown that the Sunni Arabs will make the best deal for themselves, not for Iraq. In other words, they will very likely allow some terrorists to remain in their territory. The Islamic terrorists are on a mission from God, and not willing to make any deals that involve stopping their operations. Sunni Arab politicians have a hard time spinning all this in a logical way. Their European allies dispense with logic altogether, and are running with a story that white phosphorus (for 80 years used in combat for generating smoke, light and fires) has suddenly become a banned chemical weapon, thus making the U.S. guilty of chemical warfare. The main spin here is that these "chemical weapons" are being used to oppress the Iraqi Sunni Arabs. The complicity of Sunni Arabs in supporting the terrorism in Iraq is played down, and the terrorists are portrayed as patriots trying to expel the foreigners from Iraq. It's all very surreal, but the Sunni Arabs love it. Worse yet, many believe it. Meanwhile, the majority of Iraqis grow impatient with the Sunni Arab minority, and hatred for this group, which was the majority of Saddam's support, grows. American troops got a tip that over a hundred prisoners were being abused in a secret prison in a government building. The U.S. troops raided the building and found 173 malnourished and abused Sunni Arab prisoners. The government apologized and said that something would be done, but it's no secret that Shia Arab and Kurdish police, especially elite SWAT teams and police commandoes, have been acting as death squads against former members of Saddam's security forces. Most of these thugs are still out there, and many are working for the terrorists. Some Iraqi police feel they have license to do whatever it takes to find and punish (torture and kill) Saddam's henchmen. This exacts revenge for lost kin, and weakens the terrorist movement that continues to kill Shia Arabs (and to a much lesser extent, Kurds, which have established tight security in their areas). The government cannot justify or support these unofficial police tactics. Acting like Saddam against Saddam's killers puts you on the same level as Saddam. Even the most aggrieved of Saddam's victims recognize this. But the appeal of revenge is strong, and the death squads and torture chambers will be hard to eliminate. |
| Posted by:Steve |
| #15 ARMYGUY, you're in the wrong, as is the idea that "they deserve it" as a matter of policy. This is a problem because every incident of this is a fucking headache for the mission... which at last check came before "they deserve it" dogma... right?! |
| Posted by: Edward Yee 2005-11-17 18:08 |
| #14 CT3780 Not me ... somebody else behind that nym. |
| Posted by: lotp 2005-11-17 13:04 |
| #13 Alls I'm saying is that had some fuck raped tortured killed my family and gloated about it around the neighborhood for some 30 years, and I finally got a chance to get some payback, Well, as I have mentioned before, I know a few crackheads in North Memphis that would be willing to get midieval on his ass for $20 cash. And thats $20 between two, not $20 each. A blowtorch, a pair of needlenose pliars, a carton of cigarettes, two gallons of gas, a couple of coathangers, a 40 or two for the boys, some...well you get the picture. I ain't saying what they are doing is right, with the death squads and all, but I understand a brother's motivation as it were. EP |
| Posted by: ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-11-17 12:58 |
| #12 Lol. Thanks, but (borrowing the Wyatt Earp line from Tombstone), "I don't think I'll let you arrest me today, |
| Posted by: .com 2005-11-17 12:44 |
| #11 .com, I think you are the first to blow The Partier's cover. That was classified information. You could be sharing a cell with Pincus soon. |
| Posted by: Chomoque Thruns3780 2005-11-17 12:40 |
| #10 Uh oh, a Plame war. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2005-11-17 12:26 |
| #9 Lol. Sheesh, rkb, lotp, CT3780, how many nyms do you have? LOL. ;-) |
| Posted by: .com 2005-11-17 10:49 |
| #8 Its called WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! War should have no rules unless the other side is willing to play by the rules as'well otherwise why should they give up any advantage they get from disregarding the rules of war. War should be ugly should be hell and when fighting a enemy that has no rules nither should we I am just pissed it aint US and the Pres has no ability or balls to outright tell the enemy we are not a paper tiger we are the Barbarian scurdge AKA Big Satan and if you f*ck with US be preparred to be killed down and killed by all means and ways, all those around you better turn you in or we are going to get them too for being in the wrong place wrong time. WAR Fear is powerfull the more our enemies fear our Absolute no holds barred WAR the less we will need to use it. This rules of war and civilized war is taking US into a perpetual continous never ending series of little Wars that will never end why not try to the US. I want our enemies to fear our war so much that they will go out of thier way to avoid it at all cost. |
| Posted by: C-Low 2005-11-17 10:38 |
| #7 It's all Turkey's fault. If they hadn't stopped the 4ID... |
| Posted by: Chomoque Thruns3780 2005-11-17 10:26 |
| #6 Iraq is slowly coming together as a nation, at least for the Kurds and Shia, in spite of the jihadi's best efforts. If the Sunnis don't buy into that they will be sooo screwed. Will a Sunni leader step forward, able to sell a new vision of the future to his people or will it be a succession of one Sunni Arafat after another? I know which way I'd bet. The Sunnis are well on their way to becoming the Palestinians of the New Millennium. |
| Posted by: SteveS 2005-11-17 10:21 |
| #5 The complicity of Sunni Arabs in supporting the terrorism in Iraq is played down, and the terrorists are portrayed as patriots trying to expel the foreigners from Iraq. It's all very surrealthe Sunni Arabs love it. Worse yet, many believe it. Go ahead, believe the Beautiful Lie (TM) presented by to you by the MSM and Euros. It has served you well so far. lol! |
| Posted by: 2b 2005-11-17 10:19 |
| #4 Sorry. Sunni-sympathy meter reading Zero. |
| Posted by: anymouse 2005-11-17 10:04 |
| #3 Are you sure this is the Sunnis? And not the Mainstream Media? The complicity of Mainstream Media See...a true statement. It fits! Using 'Democratic Party' would fit too.... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2005-11-17 09:52 |
| #2 i think they should let the kurds have their own country they seem too bve the only ones of the lot that seem too have any control or sense for that matter |
| Posted by: Jerelet Thineling2988 2005-11-17 09:46 |
| #1 the death squads and torture chambers will be hard to eliminate. GREAT...Stop looking for them!! |
| Posted by: ARMYGUY 2005-11-17 09:35 |