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Iraq
Burning Car Dancers Explode
2005-10-17
U.S. warplanes and helicopters bombed two villages near the restive city of Ramadi, killing an estimated 70 militants, the military said Monday, though witnesses said at least 39 of the dead were civilians.
"Women, children, sweet old granny ladies who used to make cookies, puppies, kittens, fluffy bunnies and baby ducks... Oh, the carnage! Oh, the humanity!"
On referendum day, a roadside bomb killed five U.S. soldiers in a vehicle in the Al-Bu Ubaid village on the eastern outskirts of Ramadi. On Sunday, a group of about two dozen Iraqis gathered around the wreckage.
"Hey, Mahmoud! Y'wanna go dance on the wreckage?"
They were hit by U.S. airstrikes, the military and witnesses said.
"Hey! No fair!"
The military said in a statement that the crowd was setting another roadside bomb
"Huh huh! This is gonna be soooo neat!"
when F-15 warplanes hit them, killing around 20 people,
"Aaaaaiiiieeee!"
described by the military as "terrorists."
That was before they got dumped on. Now they're described as "dead guys."
But several witnesses and one local leader said they were civilians who had gathered to gawk at and take pieces of the wreckage, as often occurs after an American vehicle is hit.
It won't occur as often in the future, of course...
Posted by:Glenmore

#27  We really need to try the microwave crowd control thingy just for the fun of it.
Posted by: 3dc   2005-10-17 22:30  

#26  Tiny clarification.

Iraqi para-military can.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-10-17 19:18  

#25  Q: What's the last thing that goes through an Iraqi car-swarmer's mind? A: His teeth.

lol! Good one.
Posted by: 2b   2005-10-17 18:56  

#24  cant we use tear gas if we're legitimately engaged in crowd control? I dont think it would be too hard to make that case.

We can't.

The Iraqis could.

Get the distinction?
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-10-17 18:52  

#23  Repeat after me, Liberalhawk:

"They were planting another bomb."

"They were planting another bomb."

"They were planting another bomb."

Feel better? I do!
Posted by: Parabellum   2005-10-17 18:01  

#22  If by "crowd control", you mean delivering the maximum number of Iraqi terrorists into the "control" of worms and maggots, I'm with you all of the way.

Think of this as a way to edumahcate Iraqis about the danger of remaining in an area where petrol tanks or live ammunition might cook off.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-17 17:27  

#21  cant we use tear gas if we're legitimately engaged in crowd control? I dont think it would be too hard to make that case.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-17 17:14  

#20  CS is for inernal use only.
Posted by: Janet   2005-10-17 17:05  

#19  LH - believe it or not, use of tear gas on the enemy is banned by the GC. Killing 'em with bombs isn't.
Posted by: PBMcL   2005-10-17 17:01  

#18  *ahem*
The Islamic Sw'army
We Tried
We Vied
We lied
We Died
NO ISLAM
Posted by: Dawg   2005-10-17 16:15  

#17   The Islamic Sw'army

WE Tried
We Vied
We Lied
We Died
NO ISLAM


Posted by: Dawg   2005-10-17 16:11  

#16  I predict you'll get over it, someday, and move up to espresso. :)
Posted by: .com   2005-10-17 15:54  

#15  As the local latte liberal, id say im of two minds about booming car dancers - well purely for car dancing (in this instance the Centcom says the dancers were planting another bomb, and I will take Centcoms word for it - which means we were attacking fighters engaged in an act of violence, not just gawkers)

I certainly think the point about not letting gawkers dance, etc is well made - its a propaganda thing. But OTOH in cases where we dont have reason to think they are planting another bomb, theres a potential backlash. I wonder if we could drop some kind of crowd control thingie, tear gas, or the lack - that serve to deter, without leaving us as open to charges related to deaths.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-17 15:50  

#14  I don't call killing swarmers anything but practical. If they are partying it up, stop the party. They can't be on the side of Iraq if they are swarming. Send them to hell.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-10-17 15:23  

#13  Red Dog:

You're right. It is a stretch and what I had in mind were the hyper-sensitive, super-caring, liberals who would be aghast at the suggestion that we make Jihadi dancers go KABOOM.

You see, you goota be gentle with these emotional types or they'll hit you with their latte cups.
Posted by: The Happy Fliergerabwehrkannon   2005-10-17 14:45  

#12  "SS like" is also a Stretch.
Posted by: Red Dog   2005-10-17 13:55  

#11  Burning Car Dancers Explode
Glenmore..kool headline.

This admittedly SS-style harsh policy’s payoff comes in the form of fear and respect, and yes, scores, perhaps hundreds of dead insurgents. A few clear messages get etched in stone:

"SS like" is a streach. If Coalition soldiers were to round up civilians in a town, and kill them as a reprisal for actions by terrorists near by, then it would pass for "SS like".

Posted by: Red Dog   2005-10-17 13:44  

#10  Q: What's the last thing that goes through an Iraqi car-swarmer's mind?

A: His teeth.

I agree, car swarms should be a priority target. You dance, you die.
Posted by: Zenster   2005-10-17 11:59  

#9  About time. I wonder if they read this passage from this essay?

A Tale of Two Vases
May 31, 2004

While we are on the topic of roadside attacks, there is another issue that usually goes without comment, save for a few remarks by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters (U.S. ARMY retired) on FOX’s “The O’Reilly Factor” last month: The ghoulish celebrants that gather at the site of practically every wrecked Coalition (re: U.S.) vehicle must be punished. In the Middle East, perception is everything. And scenes of heavily-armed Iraqis hamming it up for the cameras while American vehicles (and on some occasions, bodies) burn only serve to goad would-be Jihadis and insurgents alike. These images convey American weakness and embolden the enemy. From the outset we should have made it clear in Arabic-worded leaflets, radio and televised broadcasts, and posted-signs that any persons seen celebrating at the scene of any damaged or destroyed Coalition vehicle would be considered hostile and dealt with in a most pitiless and ruthless manner. Whether its Hellfire missiles, .50 caliber rounds, time-on-target mortar or artillery fire, M1A1 tank fire, Bradley 25 mm cannon fire, or 5.56 small-arms fire, these miscreants should be mowed down without mercy. If you are going to gloat over American deaths, do it in the privacy of your miserable hovel. It is particularly galling to watch Iraqi barbarians brandishing AK-47s and R.P.G.s dancing, singing, and shouting Islamist victory slogans with complete impunity. War is Hell, so why not make it so for your enemies? I have yet to read or hear a single compelling argument against this proposal. Spare me the nonsense about it “generating more enemies” or “inciting more hatred”; I saw plenty of hatred on September 11, 2001 when not a single American soldier was inside Iraq. This admittedly SS-style harsh policy’s payoff comes in the form of fear and respect, and yes, scores, perhaps hundreds of dead insurgents. A few clear messages get etched in stone: “You dance, you die” and “you mess with us, you die.” Think these are the ravings of an armchair general? Think again. No less than Walter Russell Mead and John Lewis Gaddis expressed similar sentiments. Writing in the Weekly Standard, Adam Wolfson noted justifications for the Iraq War in his review of several post-9-11 books:

“And still yet another rationale was that of ending a brutal and sadistic tyranny and spreading democracy throughout the Middle East. These were all acceptable reasons for war, but largely left out was the vital argument that, as Mead writes, ‘the United States needed to make a powerful statement to its enemies in the Middle East. . . . This was a war, and the enemy had to learn who was the strongest and, if it came to that, the most ruthless.’ In partial agreement with Mead, Gaddis comments that a deeper purpose served by the Iraq war (like the earlier Afghanistan campaign) was, possibly, ‘the psychological value of victory--of defeating an adversary sufficiently thoroughly that you shatter the confidence of others, so that they'll roll over themselves before you have to roll over them.’”

Right now, with each and every unpunished post-IED attack celebration, the insurgents, Jihadis, and Al-Sadr-inspired scum roll over themselves in laughter.



Posted by: The Happy Fliergerabwehrkannon   2005-10-17 11:25  

#8  See, we blew up the car swarm. Now somebody tell Isreal to do the same.
Posted by: Charles   2005-10-17 10:59  

#7  I could care less whether they were planting a bomb or just gawking. This lesson should have been taught a long time ago. I hope this is a new policy.
Posted by: JAB   2005-10-17 09:45  

#6  a nice FAE drop would send the eyepiece of the videocam through the back of the "filmmaker's" head
Posted by: Frank G   2005-10-17 08:51  

#5  MKK: Same difference. So they dispatch a few gore hound gawkers or ruin an AQ video production.

I would say they have enough for a video production. They'll just leave out the bit at the end, when the jihadi dancers go kaboom.
Posted by: Elmenter Snineque1852   2005-10-17 08:41  

#4  Same difference. So they dispatch a few gore hound gawkers or ruin an AQ video production.
Posted by: MunkarKat   2005-10-17 08:37  

#3  Guilt by association. Let'er rip.
Posted by: Ominesh Snolugum6259   2005-10-17 08:26  

#2  how amusing :)
Posted by: Shep UK   2005-10-17 08:24  

#1  Been wondering why we haven't done this more often.
Posted by: plainslow   2005-10-17 08:07  

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