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Afghanistan-Pak-India
Quake wreaks terror on terrorists - 1500 killed
2005-10-14
Latest intelligence reports, collated almost a week after the killer earthquake hit Pakistan, hold that as many as 1,500 cadres of militant outfits in Pakistan perished in the disaster. Though most militant outfits like Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) , Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) , Al-Badr and Tehrik-e-Mujahideen took a hit, Hizbul Mujahideen alone lost around 400 men. At least a third of the 1,500 killed were hardcore jehadis, say intelligence officials, basing their assessment on a combination of human and electronic intelligence obtained from across the border.

Apart from the fact that Muzaffarabad in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir was virtually the epicentre of the quake, one major factor which hit outfits was that they had recently relocated many of their ''makeshift'' camps from jungles to villages. "Our reports show militant outfits had requisitioned three to four corner houses in many villages for their cadres in areas like Rawalkot, Manshera, Nikial, Kotli, Bagh, Palandri, Dudhnial, Deolian, Kalighati and, of course, Muzaffarabad, which were flattened by the quake," said an official. "Moreover, many of their launch pads and communication centres were also hit by the quake. This has thrown the command and control of the outfits slightly out of gear. We are picking up a lot of radio chatter about this," he added. But all this will not "affect" cross-border terrorism in any major way since most of those killed were "lower-level" cadres used as "cannon-fodder" by top militant leadership and "their Pakistani controllers".

"They can be replaced by other brain-washed individuals in the jehadi factory run by Pakistan's ISI," said the official. The assessment is that while infiltration may show a slight decline, violence levels will be kept up in Jammu & Kashmir in the days to come to show militancy in the state is "home-grown" and not fuelled from across the border.
Posted by:john

#23  Actually, I believe he figured that the circumcision requirement would kill enlistments.
Posted by: Darrell   2005-10-14 20:57  

#22  Youve heard that the NYPD has set up a patrol around the grave

That was the bit I hadn't heard, lh. My attempted joke in response obviously fell in a deep hole. ;-) And you and mwh can set up as a comedy team -- I hadn't heard any of those, and I fell off my chair.

Lexicon for the rest of us (tentative, my family wasn't that strict):
glatt kosher -- certified by one set of rabbinic inspectors that the raw materials, preparation, and equipment all follow the rules of kosher (items so certified are granted the stamp of a circle K or circle U).
mashgiach -- a rabbi trained and certified to do such inspections. There are rival schools of inspectors, for some reason... perhaps Ashkenazi and Sepharidi, or Russian and German, or just because why have one when two can argue with one another).
kashrut -- the rules of kosher. The basic laws are in the Torah, things like no pork or shellfish, fairly simple and straightforward. The rules, now, well that has taken the better part of two millenia for whole schools of rabbis to decide upon, and apparently they don't always agree. And I guess these people can't eat at one another's houses.

And that is why St. Paul decided that Gentiles didn't have to convert to Judaism before being baptised as Christians.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-14 20:53  

#21  well, he wouldnt want to be THAT extreme about the kaddish barchu, now would he?

Now if it was only Moshe rabbenu, that would be different ;)
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-14 15:28  

#20  he should have gone to the fruit salad and only had grapes and strawberries after first washing them
Posted by: mhw   2005-10-14 15:21  

#19  "Well we know the Jewish messiah will be Orthodox and glatt kosher otherwise some Jews won't be able to eat at his house."

You think THAT will solve the problem?

So, the Satmar rebbe dies. He goes to heaven, naturally. He is informed by an archangel that, since such an esteemed personage is entering heaven, there will be a feast in his honor.

"Who is the mashgiach?" the rebbe asks, ever concerned about the reliability of the kashrut supervision.

"Why, rebbe, in your honor, the kaddish barchu (G-d) himself will be the mashgiach"

To which the rebbe replied "er, I'll have the fish"

;)

Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-14 14:40  

#18  " I hadn't heard that, liberalhawk"

Im sorry, was it not clear that was a joke? at the expense of certain chabadniks of the "rebbe will come back" variety.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-14 14:35  

#17  Quake wreaks terror on terrorists

Mahdi: "Youse 1500 will not git raisins, I'ma sending you straight to the Titanic, Human Soul-Eating [Godzilla's a Wuss] VelociRaptor of the Apocalypse" [has a ring to it lol]

Ship../Joe 2008
I gotta 4000+ lbs. of 304 stainless steel, I'll makeup the fliers.
Posted by: Red Dog   2005-10-14 13:52  

#16  The only term I can think of to explain Joe's rants are staccato. Always a treat Joe, but quite cryptic.
Posted by: Rightwing   2005-10-14 13:48  

#15  I was under the impression that the Madhi was not the Messiah per se, but a prophet who would be the herald of the second coming of Mohammed or something like that. Following an analagous role to John the Baptist, as it were, rather than the Messiah. (Which they don't call as such. Using that terminology is apparently offensive, so they refer to prophets that fulfill the exact same function. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc. Of course, there's also variation between the many different Christian and Jewish concepts of what the Messiah _is_, so naturally your mileage may vary as well).
Posted by: Phil Fraering   2005-10-14 13:35  

#14  lh

Well we know the Jewish messiah will be Orthodox and glatt kosher otherwise some Jews won't be able to eat at his house.
Posted by: mhw   2005-10-14 13:31  

#13  I hadn't heard that, liberalhawk. Although it seems a little late for death threats, as the good Rebbe is already dead. (Yes, I know some of his followers are waiting for him to return from the grave to finally tell them he is indeed the Messiah, but as he died deep in the throes of senility, I don't see how returning from death would improve matters much. I've always been silly that way...(L'Shana Tovah!!))
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-14 13:18  

#12  " We know how to recognize the Jewish Messiah,"

Do we?

Youve heard that the NYPD has set up a patrol around the grave of R. Menachem Mendel Schneerson, late rebbe of Chabad? The reason? There have been death threats ;)
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-10-14 13:00  

#11  there is nothing in the Koran about the Mahdi except very indirect references (e.g., verse 25-13)

There are numerous Hadiths and the like which have ambiguous and contradictory things to say (many of these don't even make grammatical or logical sense but probably have nice rhyme and meter in arabic)

Some of the followers of Ahmadi, who founded the sect known as the Ahmadiya, thought he himself was the Mahdi based on some previous prophesy about a lunar eclipse.

Posted by: mhw   2005-10-14 11:42  

#10  Doc, read Joe's first line again. He's dead on the money.

/Joe 2008
Posted by: Shipman   2005-10-14 11:21  

#9  Latest intelligence reports, collated almost a week after the killer earthquake hit Pakistan, hold that as many as 1,500 cadres of militant outfits in Pakistan perished in the disaster.

The will of Allah, obviously....
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-10-14 10:20  

#8  Yay - cave orcs crushed by Alans Quake.
Posted by: Shep UK   2005-10-14 09:43  

#7  Perhaps try the "Do they bleed and die?" test? Shoot 'em between the eyes. If you encounter one who is unhurt, you got yerself a Mahdi - buy him a beer!

Well, it makes sense to me...
Posted by: .com   2005-10-14 08:12  

#6  How is the Mahdi, the Muslim messiah, to be recognized? By what signs and portents, by his lineage, by what accomplishments? We know how to recognize the Jewish Messiah, and by the different signs that reveal the Christian Messiah returned, how how to differentiate between those who claim to be Mahdi and the real thing?
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-10-14 08:07  

#5  Joe made no sense, but he was entertaining as all hell.
Posted by: Steve White   2005-10-14 07:48  

#4  LOL! Go Joe!
Posted by: Shipman   2005-10-14 07:25  

#3  Whens the picture of Brit Hume from? I would like to know since now I can't stop the thought of Jihadi's shooting at the Moon.
Posted by: Charles   2005-10-14 06:41  

#2  I must say learning about the earthquake and envisioning the terrorists in all of those caves brought a smile to my face.
Posted by: Jan   2005-10-14 01:45  

#1  Osama gloriously fails the MAHDI test, again -just not a dedicated or strong enough MADONNA fan, are we, Usef!? If you can't do a simple thing like forecast an earthquake, or stop one, for your men, how are you going to stop the Devil per se, Nostradamus "hideous beast", or as I tease him the titanic, human/soul-eating, "Godzilla's a Wuss" VelociRaptor of the Apocalypse!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola   2005-10-14 01:11  

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