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Israel-Palestine
Abbas says Gaza not enough
2005-09-19
Ja, ve got der Sudetenland, but...
If anyone thought that Israel’s withdrawal from Gaza would revive prospects for peace, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas scotched that notion nearly two weeks ago. Full withdrawal to the pre-1967 lines is insufficient, he declared: Israel must also concede additional territory inside these lines.

Specifically, Abbas demanded land north and east of the Gaza Strip. This land was indeed on the Arab side of the 1949 armistice lines, but Egypt, which controlled Gaza at the time, traded it to Israel in 1950 in exchange for a larger chunk of land that Israel held in eastern Gaza. This new border was subsequently acknowledged not only by UN Resolution 242, but also by the Oslo accords, which the Palestinians signed. The PA, therefore, has no conceivable claim to this land: not only did Israel “purchase” it by ceding a larger bit of land to Gaza, but the new border was recognized by both the UN and the PA itself.

Thus when PA officials first raised this demand in talks with Israel several weeks ago, Israeli officials dismissed it as a negotiating ploy. But what Abbas did nearly two weeks ago is not so easily dismissed: in an interview published in a major Palestinian daily, Al-Quds, on Sept. 3, he told the Palestinian public that “the evacuation of the settlers, the settlements and the army from the Strip are steps in the right direction, but it does not mean the end of the occupation. There are lands in eastern and northern Gaza still under occupation
 We need to renegotiate the details and get back to the real border.”

This statement manages to undermine every major foundation of the peace process at once.

First, peace was always predicated on the idea that Palestinian demands are finite, and that once Israel meets them, the grounds for conflict will disappear. But in this case, Israel no sooner agreed to withdraw to Gaza’s recognized international border than the PA produced a new territorial demand – one it had never raised before – and began mobilizing Palestinian public opinion behind it.

Second, any treaty requires confidence that once an agreement is signed, the issue is closed. But in this case, the PA, which consented to the current Gaza-Israel border in the Oslo accords, is now blithely demanding that the issue be renegotiated.

Third, the peace process relied on the assumption that even if parts of Palestinian society were reluctant to end the conflict, their leaders would educate them toward reconciliation. Instead, the “moderate” Abbas has done the opposite: by raising his new territorial demand publicly, in the Palestinian media, he has encouraged the Palestinians to adopt a previously nonexistent grievance, thereby making it harder for any future leader to reach an agreement.

Fourth, the peace process was predicated on the belief that most Palestinians do want peace. But even Abbas, the most moderate leader the Palestinians have yet produced, is apparently so unwilling to give up any pretext for conflict that he has advanced a completely untenable territorial claim in order to avoid acknowledging the end of Israel’s “occupation” of Gaza. That indicates that his goal is not ending the conflict, but perpetuating it.

Finally, the peace process rested on the belief that ending “the occupation” would end Palestinian terror. Thus disengagement supporters predicted that Israel’s departure from Gaza would largely end terror from the Strip, because the terrorist organizations would be unable to justify continued attacks against Israel from “liberated” territory.
Posted by:Jackal

#10  OP, sounds good but would be better to let the Egyptians and Jordanians do the killing. They are proficient at killing Palestinians and are much better at getting away with it.
Posted by: RWV   2005-09-19 23:19  

#9  I think it's time for Israel to stop negotiating with these murderers, and kill them all. I personally won't lose a minute's sleep if Israel napalmed the entire Ramalah headquarters of the PA, and tossed in a few thousand canisters into Gaza. I also think it's time to tell the EU to F*** OFF about making demands, when they don't have any authority in the area, they're not the ones being killed and maimed, and they have no desire to accept any responsibility for the consequences of their behavior. Of course, I'm a rather bloodthirsty b*****d, and don't speak for my government - dammit!
Posted by: Old Patriot   2005-09-19 21:03  

#8  But, but, the "International Community" would condemn them and become anti-Israeli and, and...
Posted by: .com   2005-09-19 19:39  

#7  Paleos to Jordan and Egypt, preferably with many dead. Israel from the sea to the river. Amman, Damascus, Riyadh, Cairo and the Aswan Dam put on notice that the first terror attack after that gets them blown to nuclear hell. Only then will there be any peace, and it will only hold as long as the Israelis can hold the nuclear gun to their heads with the finger tight on the trigger. The Israelis truly might be better off nuking them all first because sooner or later it's going to come to that.
Posted by: mac   2005-09-19 19:37  

#6  Their is no point of negotiations and we not should ignore these claims even if they are throw away lines. The PLO/PLA never has given up it's goal of throwing Irrael into the sea and killing every Jew it can. They don't and can't bargain in good faith.
Posted by: Sock Puppet O´ Doom   2005-09-19 18:03  

#5  abbas tossed this out in an interview with local press. Hasnt raised it anywhere else. I wouldnt worry too much about it - more like an attempt to add another small bargaining chip for the tough negotiations over the West bank and Jerusalem.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-09-19 14:21  

#4  Paleo demands are infinite. The number of Paleos is not...and a sharp decrease is in the near future as I see it.
Posted by: Frank G   2005-09-19 13:41  

#3  Sounds like it may be time for another "six days" war. If this story is real, the PA is going to have a hard time getting any help whatsoever. The roadmap took years to put together and now it looks like they were just screwing with us and Israel.
Posted by: bigjim-ky   2005-09-19 12:50  

#2  Well what a suprise!

The only thing that would surprise me more would be to see the MSM report it like the Paleos are victims of Israeli occupation not report the bit about the paleos having no claim to the land.
Posted by: anon1   2005-09-19 12:09  

#1  Gee, the Paleos are liars who want to drive the joooos into the sea. Whoda thunk it?

Nope, surprise meter didn't twitch.
Posted by: AlanC   2005-09-19 11:37  

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