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FISK: Blair's Alliance With Bush Bombed
2005-07-11
"If you bomb our cities," Osama bin Laden said in a recent videotape, "we will bomb yours."' It was clear Britain would be a target ever since British Prime Minister Tony Blair decided to join President Bush's "war on terror" and his invasion of Iraq. We had, as they say, been warned. The G-8 summit was obviously chosen, well in advance, as Attack Day. It's no use Blair telling us, "They will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear." They are not trying to destroy "what we hold dear." They are trying to get public opinion to force Blair to withdraw from Iraq, out of his alliance with the United States, out of his adherence to Bush's policies in the Middle East. The Spanish paid the price for their support for Bush -- and Spain's subsequent retreat from Iraq proved that the Madrid bombings achieved their objectives -- while the Australians were made to suffer in Bali.
So we just roll over? Give them what they want? Do you know what they want? They want all of us dead, converted or dhimmi. It's not about the Middle East, it's about you.
It is easy for Blair to call yesterday's bombings "barbaric"' -- they were -- but what were the civilian deaths of the Anglo American invasion of Iraq in 2003, the children torn apart by cluster bombs, the innocent Iraqis gunned down at American military checkpoints. When they die, it is "collateral damage"; when "we" die it is "barbaric terrorism."
But don't acknowledge that the cluster bombs, when used, were used to remove the foot of an odious, genocideal thug from his people.
If we are fighting insurgency in Iraq what makes us believe insurgency won't come to us? One thing is certain: If Blair really believes that by "fighting terrorism"' in Iraq we could more efficiently protect Britain, this argument is no longer valid.
No one, not Bush and not Blair, ever said that the 'flypaper' strategy would be 100% certain. Al-Q has the ability to hurt us. What matters is the amount of time they spend in dire plots versus the time they spend on the run trying to stay alive.
To time these bombs with the G-8 summit, when the world was concentrating on Britain, was not a stroke of genius. You don't need a Ph.D. to choose another Bush-Blair handshake to close down a capital city with explosives and massacre its citizens. The G-8 summit was announced so far in advance that he gave the bombers all the time they needed to prepare. A coordinated system of attacks of the kind we saw yesterday takes weeks to plan; we can forget the idiotic fantasy these were timed to coincide with the Olympic decision. Bin Laden and his supporters don't set up an operation like this on the off chance that France will lose its bid to host the Games. Al-Qaida does not play football.

No, this would have taken months -- to choose safe houses, prepare explosives, identify targets, ensure security, choose the bombers, to plan the communications. Coordination and sophisticated planning -- and the usual utter indifference toward the lives of the innocent -- are characteristic of al-Qaida.

Let us reflect on the fact that yesterday -- the opening of the G-8 -- represented a total failure of our security services. These are the same intelligence "experts" who claim there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when there were none but who utterly failed to uncover a months-long plot to kill Londoners. Trains, planes, buses, cars, metros. Transportation appears to be the science of al-Qaida's dark arts. No one can search 3 million London commuters every day. No one can stop every tourist.
So how is this a failure of the security services? You just said that the trains and buses are unsecurable.
Then come the Muslims of Britain, who have long been awaiting this nightmare. Now every one of our Muslims becomes the usual suspect, the man or woman with brown eyes, the man with the beard, the woman in the scarf, the boy with the worry beads, the girl who says she's been racially abused.
How 'bout the ones in Finsbury Park? The screeching, eye-rolling, face-making ones who are delighted at the turn of events?
I remember, crossing the Atlantic on 9/11 -- my plane turned around off Ireland when the United States closed its airspace -- how the aircraft purser and I toured the cabins to see if we could identify any suspicious passengers. I found about a dozen, of course, totally innocent men who had brown eyes or long beards or who looked at me with "hostility." And sure enough, in just a few seconds, bin Laden turned nice, liberal, friendly Robert into an anti-Arab racist.
Nah, you were always that.
And this is part of the point of yesterday's bombings: to divide British Muslims from British non-Muslims (let us not mention the name Christians), to encourage the very kind of racism that Blair claims to resent.
Perhaps British Muslims need to make clear where they stand.
But here's the problem. To go on pretending that Britain's enemies want to destroy "what we hold dear" encourages racism; ...
No, pretending that Britain's enemies aren't already deadly serious encourages them to destroy what you hold dear.
... what we are confronting here is a specific, direct, centralized attack on London as a result of a "war on terror" that Blair has locked us into. Just before the U.S. presidential elections, bin Laden asked: "Why do we not attack Sweden?" Lucky Sweden. No Osama bin Laden there. And no Tony Blair.
So the solution is to be like the Swedes -- the last Euros to be beaten into submission.
Posted by:Fred

#18  Is that Fiskie in the picture?
Posted by: R   2005-07-11 20:05  

#17  well said, Tkat.

CF - only magic powers could make Michael Moore and Ted Rall's vile vomit spew sound and smell sweet.
Posted by: 2b   2005-07-11 14:55  

#16  The MSM, CAIR, and Fisk are more like Wormtongue of Lord of the Rings. Whispering sweet nothings in our ears while the real enemy chips away at us.

"But {Saruman | Saudi Arabia} is our friend and ally!"

"{Saruman | Islam} only wants peace!"

After 9/11 the mask was torn - a little - and (hopefully) people are starting to see the real ugliness underneath.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-07-11 12:58  

#15  I live among the same set 2b although here there is the additional twist in the form of plentiful quakers of the overeducated and wealthy variety. They are essentially good people but profoundly misguided is the kindest way I could describe their worldview. The utter inability to call something what it is because of an ingrained idiological bent to the contrary is the common moral flaw. It makes for great irony everytime. Almost like a todler who says no to everything mentioned until you say "ice cream" upon which there is a fast and sure "no" coupled by a moment of reflection, and then a "yes". I have to curb my inner alleycat everytime I visit a little concealed mindphuk upon them after listening patiently to pontifications upon the three dozen or so repeating themes of conversation. Education can be a slow but fruitful process sometimes I tell myself.
Posted by: Tkat   2005-07-11 12:55  

#14  thanks .com.

Who respects Fisk? We've made his name a byword. What could be sweeter? Thats how we should deal with all like him.

I don't know Liberal Hawk. People are sheep. I live among the blue and some of the people I know suck Fisk up like water through a straw. It feeds some sort of weird need to see the world through enlightened eyes. The blogs help, but the sickness of the left needs to be fought on a grander scale than just hoping for some sort of reformation of thought. I really believe that the muslim fanatics could not wage this war without the support of these people, may who are good people, but just willingly blind. Just like in Nazi Germany, good people are being deluded and NPR, Fisk, the BBC and Michael Moore give them license to look the other way.
Posted by: 2b   2005-07-11 10:16  

#13  Yes, terrorist acts do make us suspect all muslims.

And the assent of the muslim community makes us suspect them all the more.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-11 09:47  

#12  "How long are we going to allow traitors, who promote enemy propaganda to walk among us as respected citizens?"


Who respects Fisk? We've made his name a byword. What could be sweeter? Thats how we should deal with all like him.

Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-07-11 09:41  

#11  someone needs to remind Mr. Fisk that German tourists were targeted by AQ at a historic synagogue in Tunisia, that French consultants were murdered in Karachi, and a French tanker attacked off the coast of Yemen, despite France and Germany's positions on Iraq.

If UK has been targeted for its alliance with the US, that does not mean its about Iraq. Its about a wider struggle, that includes Afghanistan and the wider Islamic world.

Yes, terrorist acts do make us suspect all muslims. Thats one MORE reason to want terrorist acts to end - and to end them we need to think more clearly than Mr. Fisk does.
Posted by: liberalhawk   2005-07-11 09:39  

#10  "How long are we going to allow traitors, who promote enemy propaganda to walk among us as respected citizens?"

Good question. And I concur: until we work up the courage to do something about these people, we don't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning this war.

Me, I'm at the point now where, if I were to wake up tomorrow morning and find that the entire leadership of the Democratic Party, along with all of their collaborators in the media and in academia, have been rounded up in the middle of the night, charged with treason, tried, convicted, sentenced and hauled off to spend the rest of their lives in some maximum-security internment camp in the Mojave Desert, I'd cheer.

These bastards have become an outright menace to our very survival.
Posted by: Dave D.   2005-07-11 09:14  

#9  2b - *applause*

Well said, indeed.
Posted by: .com   2005-07-11 09:08  

#8  Doh! see - can't even spell it - much less identify them!
Posted by: 2b   2005-07-11 08:43  

#7  How long are we going to allow traitors, who promote enemy propaganda to walk among us as respected citizens? Fisk is not a journalist, he is a traitor.

We are like the British Redcoats in the American War. Times have changed, tactics have changed, and yet we still march in line as there was some rule in Handbook of Civilized Human Beings, that required us to do so. There is not. You can't have a civlized society if you allow citizens to openly advocate killing at random.

Bombing mosques and targeting non-militant Iraqi citizens who may or may not support the war is useless - but fighting the enemy is essential. The difference in this war, from others, is the enemy walks among us with his head held high, sneering and taunting us and then relying on our civilized restraint to say, "you can't touch me". And we do nothing - so steeped in tradition we just march on in our bright red coats, as they hit us from the bushes. At some point, you think the British might have had a DOH! moment and fought back accordingly, but for similar reasons, they could not.

Fisk, CAIR, the iams in the mosque, and those who get on TV to blatantly promote the propaganda of our enemeys need to be labeled what they are - enemey's of a civilized society.

Until we are willing to call Robert Fisk, Iams, punks and others who openly support the war against us as traitors, this war cannot be won. We will just continue to march in our red coats as they cut us down from the bushes. Doh!
Posted by: 2b   2005-07-11 08:36  

#6  Wait a minute. The Bali bombings were in 2002. You mean to tell us that Australia suffered the Bali bombings a full year before the war in Iraq?

Yes. This is one of the most common taking points of the, um, "differently realitied" -- Australia was punished for supporting the US in Iraq by the attack in Bali. Never mind that the Bali attack occured a year before the invasion of Iraq. Doesn't matter. Time doesn't flow in just one direction in the cant-addled brains of the left.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-07-11 07:31  

#5  I demand that a manhunt be launched to find those responsible for attacking poor Fisk, so that I can buy them all several drinks.
Posted by: Elvis Churchill   2005-07-11 02:26  

#4  I am with AC, guys like Fisk deserve all the pounding that can be tossed their way. Sons of England deal with this hater of western civilization.
Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom   2005-07-11 01:26  

#3   while the Australians were made to suffer in Bali.

Wait a minute. The Bali bombings were in 2002. You mean to tell us that Australia suffered the Bali bombings a full year before the war in Iraq?

And if I recall correctlym the Moose Limbs attack Bali, they essentially sh*t in their own gene pool to get back at... Aussies? Do I have that right?

I think Fisk needs another beat down. The last one he suffered fried whats left of his brain.
Posted by: badanov   2005-07-11 00:45  

#2  In short, if we allow the enemy to dictate our policy, he will not attack us.

Nobody could be stupid enough to believe this, which is why I think that leftists like Fisk and Pilger are conciously evil, and so are their rank and file followers. They lie about their own beliefs, and their motive is the sick power that comes from promoting torture and violence while wrapping oneself in the pretense of moral authority.

Sons of Britain. Rise up. Destroy the Fisks and Pilgers and the BBC before they destroy you.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-07-11 00:12  

#1  Somebody should beat Fisk to a pulp and dump his stinking carcass on a country road somewhere...

Oh, wait a minute...
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2005-07-11 00:07  

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