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| AP: Documents Show Gitmo Inmates Defy U.S. |
| 2005-07-01 |
| Let's see how much coverage this gets. SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Military authorities have previously disclosed some incidents of guard retaliation at Guantanamo Bay, which resulted in mostly minor disciplinary proceedings. What emerges from 278 pages of documents obtained by The Associated Press is the degree of defiance by the terrorism suspects at Guantanamo. The prisoners banged on their cells to protest the heat. They doused guards with whatever liquid was handy — from spit to urine. Sometimes they struck their jailers, one swinging a steel chair at a military police officer. And the American MPs at times retaliated with force — punches, pepper spray and a splash of cleaning fluid in the face, according to the newly released documents that detail military investigations and eyewitness accounts of alleged abuse. Hey, Achmed. How do you think your Koran would look shoved up your ass? Some prisoners at the U.S. base in eastern Cuba have gone on the attack, as in April 2003 when a detainee got out of his cell during a search for contraband food and knocked out a guard's tooth with a punch to the mouth and bit him before he was subdued by MPs. One soldier delivered two blows to the inmate's head with a handheld radio, the documents show. "Several guards were trying to hold down the detainee who was putting up heavy resistance," recounted a translator who saw the incident. "The detainee was covered in blood as were some of the guards."The soldier who struck the inmate, and was dropped in rank to private first class as a result, described it as a close call. WHAT! "The detainee was fighting as if he really wanted to hurt us. ... We all saved each other's lives in my opinion," he wrote. The documents, obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by AP, are far from a comprehensive look at Guantanamo and do not provide full details about each incident. Names and some other identifying details have been blacked out by military censors. Handwriting at times isn't legible and pages appear to be missing or out of sequence. In some cases, it is not possible to decipher who did what to whom. Disciplinary measures against the troops were either relatively minor or unclear in some reports. The internal investigative reports do, however, provide a snapshot of life behind the wire at Guantanamo, depicting a tense, hostile and sometimes chaotic place. Really? Ya think? In one of the more serious incidents described in the documents, detainees told guards that an MP threw the cleaning liquid Pine-Sol in the eyes of a prisoner in the middle of one night in January 2004. In a written statement, another soldier said he came in immediately afterward to find what smelled like cleaning liquid dripping from the cell."The detainee could be seen rubbing his eyes intensely and moaning in pain," he said. Documents show that the guard, from the 661st Military Police Company, did not admit throwing the cleaning fluid when questioned about it that night but did say the detainee had spit on him, and may have thrown urine. A medic on the cell block flushed the detainee's eyes with water, a witness said. Payback sucks, don't it Mahmoud? A Department of Defense investigative memo written six months later concluded the soldier had mistreated detainees twice — the second offense involved cursing at inmates — and that his superiors failed to report either episode. My heavens! He cursed! Oh my! Investigators recommended disciplinary action against the soldier and a probe into why the incident wasn't reported up the chain of command, but the outcome is unclear from the papers. What is this...bullshit! In a statement to investigators, one service member said he hadn't seen the Pine-Sol incident but noted that U.S. personnel have been taught to use restraint with detainees: "The training we have received here at Guantanamo Bay has always stressed ... that no matter what happens on the block do not retaliate ... it will just get you into trouble." Still, tensions between prisoners and guards have been high since the first suspects arrived in early 2002, hooded and shackled, mostly from the battlefields of Afghanistan. The detainees' defiance discussed in the documents ranged from mild — prisoners getting matching haircuts in a show of solidarity or refusing orders to stop practicing martial arts in the exercise yard — to hostile acts like spitting or throwing unknown liquids at the MPs. One soldier used pepper spray on prisoners because, he said in a report to superiors, he feared that the unknown liquids hurled could pose a health danger. One soldier told military investigators he punched a detainee's face because the man spit at him and hit him as he tried to put him in restraints at the prison hospital in October 2004. "My instincts took over after the hitting and spitting," said the soldier. Documents show authorities recommended that the punishment include reduction in rank to E-4, loss of a month's pay and extra duty for 45 days, though the outcome is unclear. In the prison camp's early days, inmates showed their anger over the heat and the practice of leaving lights on in their cells at night by banging on the bars throughout one guard shift in September 2002, the documents say. One detainee who was believed to be leading the protest threw what an MP said smelled like water from the toilet on him. The MP tried to spray water from a hose in response, but the detainee blocked it with a mat. The guard who tried to spray the detainee was charged with assault, given a reduction in rank to private first class, which was suspended, and reassigned to other duties at Guantanamo. Unbelievable... In another case, an inmate threw a partially full urine bottle at an MP in May 2002, apparently because he believed the soldier had intentionally kicked his hospital bed. When the soldier threw the urinal back, the detainee grabbed a steel chair and swung it at guards before they subdued him. A military witness defended the MP, writing: "I believe (name deleted) to be a good and honest soldier ... and just influenced by negative elements among us." The documents don't make clear what punishment, if any, the MP got. Military officials at Guantanamo did not respond this week to questions about relations between guards and detainees at the camp, which has held some 700 prisoners from 45 countries since it opened. There are about 540 detainees there now. Kick some of them loose. Send them up to Dick Durbin's and Ted Kennedy's as honored guests at their July 4th cookouts. |
| Posted by:tu3031 |
| #16 I repeat. USE THEM FOR SHARK BAIT! |
| Posted by: 3dc 2005-07-01 23:24 |
| #15 Might I suggest the following response for recalcitrant Gitmo "detainees" (per Pulp Fiction): "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee." BANG! |
| Posted by: DMFD 2005-07-01 20:57 |
| #14 What is funny the AP is so clueless they don't know this same kind of prisoner and guard interaction goes on in state and federal prisons everyday. It's no big thing. The Military seems to be more restrained in their reaction that is the only difference. These most of these AQ "heavyweights" would be punked out in seconds in a real prison. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-01 20:45 |
| #13 From these excerpts, I am pleased with the actions of those running GITMO on several levels: 1. These documents include the details about exceptional cases of abnormal reactions by guards. What incredible discipline the guards have where one midnight Pinesol attack is the worst offense over several years of incarceration. 2. Some type of action seems to have been taken against any guard that lost composure. 3. Expectations for the guard force conduct seem to be exceptional - exactly what we need when every idiot in the world wants us to fail. 4. There is no evidence of sloppiness in guard behavior. No evidence of systematic poor behavior by junior enlisted. We remain strong. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2005-07-01 20:01 |
| #12 Give 'em all mullet haircuts. and play "achy breaky heart" out loud 24/7. |
| Posted by: Slineng Ebbuter5452 2005-07-01 19:56 |
| #11 Yep - he's nailed it, on both counts. Our sincere thanks for his service, Angry G.I. Dad - please let him know. I hope he got one of the A/C units from Operation A/C - I support Frankie's outfit! |
| Posted by: .com 2005-07-01 19:06 |
| #10 My son spent a year guarding prisoners at what he called a "day-care center for terrorists", Camp Bucca in Iraq. The kind of shit described here-- both the violent behavior of the detainees and the timid, PC behavior of the command-- was typical after Abu Ghraib. After that, in fact, the harshest punishment they were permitted to inflict on detainees, under any circumstances whatsoever, was a "time out" in an isolation room-- air conditioned, with Al Jizz on the TV. Even swearing at detainees, or insulting them, was a punishable offense. He came out of that experience firmly convinced of two things: Muslims are little more than animals; and Democrats and reporters are scumbags. Frankly, I agree. |
| Posted by: Angry G.I. Dad 2005-07-01 18:57 |
| #9 and they attract lice like fellow vermin |
| Posted by: Frank G 2005-07-01 18:55 |
| #8 Almost all Muzzies you see have a burr or near-bald haircut. They have to in order to wear the little doily / bra cup they wear under the kaffiyeh. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-07-01 18:41 |
| #7 prisoners getting matching haircuts in a show of solidarity I'd mandate they get matching haircuts -- bald as a cueball. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2005-07-01 18:35 |
| #6 THE AP and the rest of the mainstream media is a treasonus cabal. Screw their lying arses. As far as these "prisoners" go. Get a pig. Kill it, and render it down right in front of these Johnny Jihads. Let them see the dipping of the bullets in the pig fat. Pull one out at random and shoot his worthless ass. Explain that he will be sewn up in the pigs hide after being doused with pig entrals and fat. Explain his dead ass will be pointing towards Mecca and will not be buried for a week. Explain that this is the fate of all who defy the "rules." Gitmo is not a regular prison. Persons kept there by all rights should have been shot on capture. That they are still breathing is just their good fortune. Their lives can be lawfully taken at any time. Screw the whinging liberals and MSM that support this death cults attacks on civilization. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-01 18:18 |
| #5 Any inmate fighting the guards needs to be shot. I rather doubt there will be much resistance then. Show the inmates that attacking a US soldier has 1 result-Instant gruesome death. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2005-07-01 18:03 |
| #4 The Army has gotn too PC. I thought the Marines handled shore duty at Gitmo. Put them in charge of the Club. Or some of those DIs who got busted. Get fire hoses down there and blow away any jerk who wants to get some action. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2005-07-01 17:38 |
| #3 Hang 'em with pig intestine. |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2005-07-01 17:37 |
| #2 F*ck that sh*t. Get a chainsaw and set an example. |
| Posted by: BH 2005-07-01 17:18 |
| #1 AP Jihadi Symp Booster Club. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-07-01 17:05 |