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Home Front: WoT
ACLU to monitor Minuteman border patrols
2005-03-10
Be on your best behaviour, guys!
The American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona plans to monitor an upcoming civilian patrol along the Arizona-Mexico border. The observers will trail volunteers of the Minuteman Project throughout April as they patrol the border along Cochise County for illegal immigrants. "We will be there to make sure they're not abusing anybody's rights," the ACLU's Ray Ybarra said. A team of lawyers !!! will be on hand to file civil cases against Minuteman participants if abuses occur, he said. The ACLU is planning hourlong training sessions over the next month for volunteers in Tucson, Douglas and Phoenix. For more information, call (520) 364-1188.
Posted by:trailing wife

#38  Any doubts left that the ACLU has firmly aligned itself against the war on terror, and the safety of the nation?

What was that bit in the Oath those of us who served took... something about All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-10 2:50:47 AM  

#37  Any doubts left that the ACLU has firmly aligned itself against the war on terror, and the safety of the nation?

What was that bit in the Oath those of us who served took... something about All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-10 2:50:47 AM  

#36  Duly noted and forwarded to the MMP. No idea if it'll do any good or not.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2005-03-10 6:00:27 PM  

#35  too hell with the illegal immigrants kill the ACLU lawyers
Posted by: Thraing Hupoluper1864   2005-03-10 5:24:55 PM  

#34  There are no Humane Borders water stations on the 3-million-acre Tohono O'odham Nation, adjacent to Organ Pipe. The reservation, which shares 76 miles of international border with Mexico, already has to deal with thousands of illegal aliens crossing the nation every month and has banned the stations.

Sorry,but I have been down there,and the terrain makes access very difficult by Border Patrol.The same is true in some areas of San Diego County.That is why I say we need pressure on the Mexican gov't to work their side.Not arguing with you,just giving an opinion after living on the border for most of my life.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 2:48:30 PM  

#33  B-a-R, that's a good idea with the pamphlets. Especially since their own government put out those stupid comic books encouraging people to try it. Pictures of what people look like after dying out there would be best of all, mainly because a lot of them can't read basic Spanish.

However, busting up the water stations is stupid. Really. I guarantee that the owners will sue, they will get plenty of publicity, and it will encourage the idjits like that moron elected official in Cochise County to paint the Minutemen as a bunch of lawless yahoos.

Besides, B-a-R, there are laws on the books here in Arizona about denying water to people. In some cases it's a felony.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-03-10 2:45:18 PM  

#32  They were coming before the water stations,..

And with the supplied water now have even MORE incentive to try. This is nothing less than assisting illegal entry, and responsible parties should be prosecuted for it.

As I say,we need cooperation on the Mexican side to seal the border.

Not going to happen. It is entirely up to us to do what is necessary to put a stop to this illegal border-crossing activity, and that's how the problem should be approached, as a leech is not going to lend assistance in its own removal.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-03-10 2:35:44 PM  

#31  Silentbrick. Heh.Forward that to the Minutemen.

http://www.minutemanproject.com/
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 2:35:33 PM  

#30  The legally wise among us might know, but can't a lawyer be disbarred if they witness/know of a crime and do not report it? So if these lawyers are seen witnessing illegals crossing the border and do not report it, the the MMP should initiate disbarment proceedings against them.
Posted by: Silentbrick   2005-03-10 2:27:00 PM  

#29  "The idea is to remove any incentive to try a crossing." They were coming before the water stations,and now the Mexican Gov't gives them pamphlets describing how to avoid BP plus safety tips.As I say,we need cooperation on the Mexican side to seal the border.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 1:20:49 PM  

#28  ..dying of thirst out in the desert is a horrible way to go. I know the illegals are breaking the law, but I don't want to condemn them to death.

The idea is to remove any incentive to try a crossing. Non-native water stations are an encouragement to make repeated attempts, when what is needed is for border-jumpers to be discouraged. If death by dehydration is a concern, then publish small flyers with a clear warning of a lack of water and possible death by dehydration and distribute them accordingly in Mexican towns near the border areas under siege. But basically, we are not, and should not, feel or be responsible for people who recklessly endanger their lives while violating the border.

Compassion has its limits, and mine was reached about 8 million illegal aliens and two amnesties ago.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-03-10 1:12:21 PM  

#27  City slickers.....meaning ACLU lawyers...
Wonder how they will drive those things out of Tombstone with .....er....flat tires ? Ha Ha Ha.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 1:09:01 PM  

#26  Frank G - Naw, they aren't gonna go off-road in those things. They might get the vehicle dirty! ;)
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-03-10 1:02:29 PM  

#25  lotta bad things can happen to y'all city slickers tromping around in the desert in your BMW and Porsche SUV's. Maybe fatal bad things
Posted by: Frank G   2005-03-10 12:51:10 PM  

#24  MMP already has nearly 800 volunteers, plus six airplanes and pilots.At least a dozen border area property owners have volunteered the use of their property to the MMP volunteers.
I think the ACLU will be tresspassing if the try to follow MMP volunteers onto private property.Heh.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 12:28:00 PM  

#23  The ACLU lacks common sence because I see a scenario where a land owner whose property is on the border welcoming "Minutemen" as mentioned by chin #22, and call the county sheriff to remove the ACLU as trespassers. Even the ACLU with binoculars off the property could be removed under "Peeping Tom" statutes...

This will be interesting.
Posted by: BigEd   2005-03-10 12:18:11 PM  

#22  2b. Some local politician in Cohise County tried requiring permits for the Minutemen operating down there.It was shot down.He also tried to get restrictions on carrying firearms.That was shot down.
Most land involved is public,and the private landowners are even constructing watch towers for the Minutemen.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 12:12:23 PM  

#21  B-a-R, I know you're gonna scream, but....I don't think they should destroy the water stations. Two reasons:
1) the "owner" could get them for criminal damage, and the media would just love to nail them for any criminal act they can pin on them, and
2) dying of thirst out in the desert is a horrible way to go. I know the illegals are breaking the law, but I don't want to condemn them to death. We let murderers off easier than that here. Besides, you never know if later one of the Minutemen or (heaven help me) those ACLU pukes could need that water.
Don't mess with a water supply in the desert, ever.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-03-10 11:46:14 AM  

#20  It's already in the 80's here in Phoenix

No, they will just sit in air-conditioned offices and put out the word that if illegals can make up a good enough story - they might get some free cash. I don't know enough about law, but find a way to send these guys some "great claimants" who are really little trojan horses in disguise.

This is a great opportunity to wait for the lawyers to make a mistake - rather than the other way around.

Of course, my plan requires some lawyers willing to volunteer for the common good. hmmmm. Back to the drawing board. (j/k)
Posted by: 2b   2005-03-10 11:41:52 AM  

#19  oh man, this is such a good opportunity to set up these lawyers. They will be eager and willing to fall for any bait set before them.

Dust off those trespassing statutes...harassment and entrapment claims. This way you can go after the lawyers themselves. This is a clear effort to entrap law abiding citizens... but two can play that game.
Posted by: 2b   2005-03-10 11:33:44 AM  

#18  Bomb-a-rama. I hear what you are saying,but those water stations are also "bait" traps for the illegals.Heh.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 11:18:12 AM  

#17  Won't the minute men take care of that?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-03-10 10:43:10 AM  

#16  Speaking of Big Gulps, if any illegal border-jumper water stations are found set up in the AZ desert, the BP should dismantle or destroy them.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-03-10 10:40:45 AM  

#15  I think the Minutemen will operate in the Tombsrstone/Douglas area.
Average high temps there in April are 77-80 because of the altitude compared to Phoenix.
In any event,the ACLU will be monitored,and avoided.Like ditching nerds in high school.Heh.
Posted by: crazyhorse   2005-03-10 10:27:39 AM  

#14  It's already in the 80's here in Phoenix. It could be hitting the 100 mark in April....it's done it before.
I'd be amazed if even 10 of them actually did trail after the Minutemen. It's just what's gonna scare them off first....a second-degree sunburn, or finding out that Circle K doesn't sell Big Gulps out in the middle of nowhere.
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2005-03-10 9:28:10 AM  

#13  Here's an idea. Why don't they head over to the other side and come in with the illegals. When they enter the country ILLEGALLY, the ACLU folks can perform citizens arrests and turn them over to the nearest Border Patrol agent since, of course, they're sooooooooooo concerned with upholding the nation's laws.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-03-10 9:02:13 AM  

#12  And to reduce the supply somewhat. Thinning the herd, as it were.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2005-03-10 8:03:44 AM  

#11   This is the easiest way to determine when the legal profession has more supply than demand.
Posted by: 98zulu   2005-03-10 6:22:40 AM  

#10  And self-avowed enemies...
Posted by: .com   2005-03-10 4:09:33 AM  

#9  They look Domestic to me.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-03-10 3:56:03 AM  

#8  Any doubts left that the ACLU has firmly aligned itself against the war on terror, and the safety of the nation?

What was that bit in the Oath those of us who served took... something about All Enemies, Foreign and Domestic
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-03-10 2:50:47 AM  

#7  For some reason, I have this image of Wile E. Coyote in a suit and a suitcase in his paw. It is persistent.
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-10 1:03:46 AM  

#6  I can think of all kinds of bad things that can happen to these assclowns. I think any property owner has a right to refuse them permission to pass on their property too. ALCU = communist. Only good Red is a dead Red.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-03-10 12:51:50 AM  

#5  Isn't April a lawyer season?
Posted by: Sobiesky   2005-03-10 12:33:42 AM  

#4  The observers will trail volunteers of the Minuteman Project throughout April as they patrol the border along Cochise County for illegal immigrants.

Not very wise.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-03-10 12:31:03 AM  

#3  Can you picture this bunch of parasites wandering around the desert outside of Yuma? Nah, this little wankoff will occur in some 5-Star hotel - maybe the Biltmore.
Posted by: .com   2005-03-10 12:29:26 AM  

#2  This isn't scappleface?

What happens of one of the miniutemen's rights are abused? Anyone think the ACLU will jump in and defend them?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2005-03-10 12:18:54 AM  

#1  ...In the immortal words of Duck Dodgers, "This can't end well..."

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski   2005-03-10 12:11:40 AM  

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