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| New anti-insurgent offensive underway in Iraq | ||
| 2005-02-21 | ||
U.S. Marines and Iraqi security forces launched a new offensive Sunday against insurgents in troubled cities west of Baghdad after two days of carnage that left nearly 100 people dead. Sunni Muslim tribal leaders met to determine their place in a Shiite-dominated Iraqi government. As the Shiite majority prepared to take control of the country's first freely elected government, tribal chiefs representing Sunni Arabs in six provinces issued a list of demands - including participation in the government and drafting a new constitution - after previously refusing to acknowledge the vote's legitimacy. "We made a big mistake when we didn't vote," said Sheik Hathal Younis Yahiya, 49, a representative from northern Nineveh. "Our votes were very important." He said threats from insurgents - not sectarian differences - kept most Sunnis from voting.
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| Posted by:Dan Darling |
| #14 "a powerful Sunni organization believed to have ties with the insurgents sought to condemn the weekend attacks that left nearly 100 Iraqis dead." These mooks need to realize that the Arafat trick (talk nice while the people you support kill liek rabid dogs) doesn't work with the Bush Administration. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2005-02-21 3:51:53 PM |
| #13 "a powerful Sunni organization believed to have ties with the insurgents sought to condemn the weekend attacks that left nearly 100 Iraqis dead." These mooks need to realize that the Arafat trick (talk nice while the people you support kill liek rabid dogs) doesn't work with the Bush Administration. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2005-02-21 3:51:53 PM |
| #12 Sweet. Interesting post Ptah...does help to explain why we should find such strange bed fellows in these 2 groups. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2005-02-21 9:11:07 PM |
| #11 "a powerful Sunni organization believed to have ties with the insurgents sought to condemn the weekend attacks that left nearly 100 Iraqis dead." These mooks need to realize that the Arafat trick (talk nice while the people you support kill liek rabid dogs) doesn't work with the Bush Administration. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2005-02-21 3:51:53 PM |
| #10 Ptah - Tribalism is, IMHO, one of the root causes beneath your points - from it we get systemic traits such as corruption, incompetence, and a pathological closed mind. I believe much of the rest springs from that point. Just my take - I enjoyed your post! |
| Posted by: .com 2005-02-21 10:27:47 AM |
| #9 Ptah, have you read The New World of the Gothic Fox? You don't need to, but you might enjoy it. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2005-02-21 9:36:18 AM |
| #8 I'm sorry. I left out the evidence: As the Shiite majority prepared to take control of the country’s first freely elected government, tribal chiefs representing Sunni Arabs in six provinces issued a list of demands - including participation in the government and drafting a new constitution - after previously refusing to acknowledge the vote’s legitimacy. Really now, how different is this behavior from that of the Democrats, the MSM, the Socialists in Europe, the Communists/tyrranists in Russia/China, or the Palestinians? |
| Posted by: Ptah 2005-02-21 9:30:31 AM |
| #7 I have been ruminating over the following theory: These people are NOT UNIQUE: Their culture merely colors and affects the way they behave, but the ROOT behavior is universal. We call them Islamists when they're muslim, but we'd call them Socialists if they had been born in Europe, Communists if they had been born in Russia or China, and Leftists/Democrats/Moonbats if they had been born in the United States. Conclusion: The MSM supports ALL these people, because if you peel away the cultural overlays of MSM members AND the people they support, THEY ARE KIN. They share the following: 1. Need to control people in order to provide support and sustenance for themselves, rather than support themselves. 2. Fundamental distaste when it comes to facing reality. 3. Difficulty in discerning cause and effect. 4. Tendency to blame others for problems THEY cause or are suffering from, coupled with a pathological drive to flee from personal responsibility. 5. Unshakeable belief in their innate superiority, with an attendant need to affirm and enforce the inferiority of others. 6. Theory based thinking. Insistence on viewing the problems in the world, if not the world itself, as a nail because they possess only a hammer. 7. Need to Justify their behavior and existance by resorting to moralizing. Due to #2 above, their moralizing usually has little in connection or appearance to traditional, or even natural, moral reasoning. People, I'm telling you, under the cultural veneer, THEY'RE ALL ALIKE!!!! |
| Posted by: Ptah 2005-02-21 9:28:25 AM |
| #6 Is this now the "Humble" Association of Muslim Scholars, instead of the "Influential" Association of Muslim Scholars? |
| Posted by: Anonymoose 2005-02-21 9:06:55 AM |
| #5 They should be told in no uncertain terms"You screwed the pooch on the elections,you now have 45 days to kill,capture and or turn-in the terrorist or be shut-out indefinatly". |
| Posted by: raptor 2005-02-21 8:49:03 AM |
| #4 "Typically totally backwards." Heh, the Arab way - especially the Arab Tribe / Clan way. They presume the entire World works like their little world does and will accommodate them. That's how it works in their bubble, so... This is so pathetic that it just screams cognitive dissonance... and no, we should not feel sorry for them or accommodate them. They're Saddam's collaboative killers, criminals, and thugs - the leaders, I mean - and they'll just have to catch on and catch up - or be replaced by people with a neuron count higher than two. They prolly feel like they just landed on another planet. Gooood. |
| Posted by: .com 2005-02-21 3:17:44 AM |
| #3 *snicker* I agree, Verlaine. First the Sunni Tribal Leaders (mustn't forget the caps, they're Important People) issue demands to be included in the political process then, realizing they completely misjudged the situation and the Iraqi people they used to control, they try to figure out how to jump on the train that's already left the station -- and is accelerating very quickly. Typically totally backwards. |
| Posted by: trailing wife 2005-02-21 3:02:07 AM |
| #2 The AMS is hand and glove in league with the terrorists. Screw them. I say no to any "tribal leaders" who didn't allow or protect their people so they could vote. If these assholes want representation bring the government the Baath party leaders and terrorists causing the violence then the government might consider your request. Until then STFU. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-02-21 1:13:04 AM |
| #1 "We made a big mistake when we didn’t vote," said Sheik Hathal Younis Yahiya, 49, a representative from northern Nineveh. "Our votes were very important." Gathering in a central Baghdad hotel, about 70 tribal leaders from the provinces of Baghdad, Kirkuk, Salaheddin, Diyala, Anbar and Nineveh, tried to devise a strategy for participation in a future government. There was an air of desperation in some quarters of the smoke-filled conference room. This is funnier than a Zawahiri tape. Perhaps these desperate tribal leaders should go the extreme step of getting a clue, recognizing they're in a fight for their lives, and commit their communities to exterminating the criminal vermin, Iraqi and foreign, that's responsible for their situation. If they don't, they deserve the fruits of being associated with mass murder, genocide, theft, and base criminality. Somehow I think Iraq and the world can struggle along without them. |
| Posted by: Verlaine in Iraq 2005-02-21 12:55:18 AM |