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Iraq-Jordan
Iraqi Rebels Grow Strong in Saddam's Old Haunts
2005-01-11
Violence has spiked against Iraqi and US forces in the battleground provinces of north-central Iraq, with less than three weeks to go before landmark national elections. US Army officers at their headquarters in Saddam Hussein's old palace in Tikrit describe an insurgency that has grown since last March despite the best efforts to win over the Iraqi people living in the northern provinces of Salahuddin, Diyala and Tamim, home to Iraq's alienated Sunni Muslims. "What we've seen was the insurgency gather steam since last April and May. It probably would have gained steam a whole lost faster if it were not for courageous Iraqi National Guard and police standing up for their country," said Maj. Gen. John Batiste, commander of the First Infantry Division (1st ID). Despite the insurgency's ability to recruit new members, Batiste believes the US Army is winning in Iraq. He points to the training of 11,000 Iraqi national guardsmen in his area of operations which he considers a success story. "These things take time. You have to take a long view," Batiste said.
I'm waiting for the Iraqis we've been training to turn the Bad Guyz' tactics against them. It's not like Iraqis don't know how to be vicious with each other. But we're trying to train them out of that, which is both a good thing and a bad thing...
Batiste said Iraqi officials are determined to hold elections in the 1st ID provinces of Salahuddin, Diyala, Tamim and Kurdish Sulaimaniyah and hope for a 50 percent turnout at the polls. Security plans will rely on the Iraqi army and police, with US forces in a back-up role, Batiste said. But his officers warn that violence is expected to mount in the contested provinces, where a strong turnout among Sunni voters would bestow some legitimacy on the contentious polls. "We do expect the violence to steadily increase as we get close to elections," one officer said on condition of anonymity.
I don't expect a strong Sunni turnout, either. But I also expect they're just going to have to suck it up.
Since December, there had been 63 attacks causing casualties among US and Iraqi troops, double the number from the previous month, the officer said. The officer said anywhere from 20 to 40 armed cells existed in the four provinces and described the entire region as a danger zone. Forty-four suicide car bombs have been carried out since last March, along with 39 car bombs detonated by remote control. Last week, a suicide car bomb killed 18 guardsmen traveling on a bus near Balad. "There is an increase in localized recruitment. We attribute that to a very frustrated populace especially in the Sunni triangle."
Yeah, they're the same guys who were in a position to kick people around under Sammy. As an army they were crap. As a citizenry, they're even crappier, but it's Capone crappy.
A case in point is Hawija, west of Kirkuk. The city has a rate of 80 percent unemployment among men, many of them veterans of Saddam's old army, the officer added. "Right here straight through the Sunni triangle, pick about any metropolitan center, you're going to find a high concentration of attacks."
I rest my case.
Insurgents are being sheltered by rural farmers as well as entire city neighborhoods, the officer said. The list of those still on the run includes Saddam lieutenant Izzat Ibrahim Al-Douri, Kamal Al-Aswadi, a fighter from Samarra, Rashi Taan Kazim, a former governor in Al-Anbar, and former Saddam bodyguard Mohammed Hadosh. Besides Douri, who has a $10-million price on his head, the others illustrate the depth of the resistance movement that has evolved in little over a year since Saddam was captured, hiding in a shithouse small foxhole on a farm. Aswadi, aka "Kamal the Tailor", was a businessman with ties to Saddam's entourage, but wrapped himself in the cloak of radical Islam after the dictator's regime collapsed. The military believes he relies on funding from Abu Mussab Al-Zarqawi's movement and built his armed wing around tribal connections. Shortly before US forces stormed Samarra last October, his rebel clan fought with another insurgent-linked tribe, the Al-Nissanis, over bragging rights in the city. Kazim, who has a million dollar price on his head, is the point man for Baathist activity in Diyala. The military believes he funds groups, supplies weapons and "uses religious ideology to recruit extremists", in an example of the insurgency's blurred lines. Hadosh was Saddam's top bodyguard in Tikrit and the military believes he funds rebel activities in Baiji, home to Iraq's largest refinery.
Posted by:Fred

#13  As an adjunct, there should be Iraqi "hit squads" whose only mission is to find and kill the "leadership" targets. And they should use "Russian" methods if neccesary. Send Al Dhouri the ear of one of his sons, then start sending fingers of his wife or mother. He will get the message that his sons and wife and mom are at risk now, just the way he is putting the sons and daughters and moms of normal Iraqis at risk.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:53:39 AM  

#12  Time to put these places down.

Hard cordons. Put up miles of jersey barriers, concertina and tanglefoot - and possibly minefields - facing INWARD in a perimeter around these places. Create hard checkpoints in and out of these Sunni cities. If they want to make thier cities into shitholes, let them. But keep them bottled up there to deal with the consequences. Nothing in, nothing out, other than inspected food trucks.

Any foreigners found will be deported if found with valid ID no weapons. If found with weapons or evidence of terrorist training (forged IDs etc) they will be summarily executed. On the spot. Locals found with weapons/IED materiels or captured while fighting will be put in prison camps in Kurdish areas, under Kurdish guard, and their adult family members [in the Arab sense of the word: father, brothers, sons] will be expelled and jailed with them. This woudl only apply to the "tribal" cheifs, whose entire family (males of legal age) should be placed "at risk" for acts committed by each other.

Anyone wishing to leave voluntarily has to go to a 30 day detention center for vetting against terror links, then will be relocated to a Kurd or Shia part of the country at a refugee camp there, where Kurdish and Shia security will be watching them.

The Baathists must have the consequences driven home to them - and so does the population that supports these thugs.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:50:08 AM  

#11  As an adjunct, there should be Iraqi "hit squads" whose only mission is to find and kill the "leadership" targets. And they should use "Russian" methods if neccesary. Send Al Dhouri the ear of one of his sons, then start sending fingers of his wife or mother. He will get the message that his sons and wife and mom are at risk now, just the way he is putting the sons and daughters and moms of normal Iraqis at risk.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:53:39 AM  

#10  Time to put these places down.

Hard cordons. Put up miles of jersey barriers, concertina and tanglefoot - and possibly minefields - facing INWARD in a perimeter around these places. Create hard checkpoints in and out of these Sunni cities. If they want to make thier cities into shitholes, let them. But keep them bottled up there to deal with the consequences. Nothing in, nothing out, other than inspected food trucks.

Any foreigners found will be deported if found with valid ID no weapons. If found with weapons or evidence of terrorist training (forged IDs etc) they will be summarily executed. On the spot. Locals found with weapons/IED materiels or captured while fighting will be put in prison camps in Kurdish areas, under Kurdish guard, and their adult family members [in the Arab sense of the word: father, brothers, sons] will be expelled and jailed with them. This woudl only apply to the "tribal" cheifs, whose entire family (males of legal age) should be placed "at risk" for acts committed by each other.

Anyone wishing to leave voluntarily has to go to a 30 day detention center for vetting against terror links, then will be relocated to a Kurd or Shia part of the country at a refugee camp there, where Kurdish and Shia security will be watching them.

The Baathists must have the consequences driven home to them - and so does the population that supports these thugs.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:50:08 AM  

#9  1. We need to bring back the Phoenix Program. (Sorry about the link. I couldn't find an unbiased source on the web. Note, however that in the last paragraph, after calling the program a failure, the author quotes a Vietnamese official admitting that Phoenix wiped out up to 95% of the VC leadership in some provinces.)

2. Do what a lot of the folks here have been calling for: Use Shias and Kurds to patrol the Sunni Arab areas. As a technique, it is historically proven to work. The British did it for 200 years in India with great results. Yeah, it'll piss off a lot of Sunnis, but what have we got to lose? They hate us already. I don't think that any Sunni/Arab government really has the balls to act.
Posted by: 11A5S   2005-01-11 4:29:24 PM  

#8  What's so wrong about it? If it's not Americans doing it, then it can't be wrong. That's pretty much how things have been portrayed so far, so if the media and critics want to play that game, then fine, let's play that way and get someone else to do real, honest-to-goodness dirty work.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-11 1:27:47 PM  

#7  it's just wrong.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-11 12:09:17 PM  

#6  purposely harming the innocent to get at the guilty means the devil will have to be paid.

Why worry about it? It's not as if WE would be doing that, since OS' proposal is for Iraqi hit squads, who are not likely to have any such reservations, to be carrying this out.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-11 11:59:40 AM  

#5  then start sending fingers of his wife or mother.

purposely harming the innocent to get at the guilty means the devil will have to be paid. Let's just kill the bad guys and be done with it.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-11 10:43:47 AM  

#4  Why waste time and money guarding and feeding them?
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2005-01-11 10:24:28 AM  

#3  Locals found with weapons/IED materiels or captured while fighting will be put in prison camps in Kurdish areas, under Kurdish guard,..

A very sensible solution. And compensation to the Kurds for keeping those home-grown thugs under lock and key could be taken from oil revenues, and wouldn't cost the U.S. a penny.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-01-11 10:18:27 AM  

#2  As an adjunct, there should be Iraqi "hit squads" whose only mission is to find and kill the "leadership" targets. And they should use "Russian" methods if neccesary. Send Al Dhouri the ear of one of his sons, then start sending fingers of his wife or mother. He will get the message that his sons and wife and mom are at risk now, just the way he is putting the sons and daughters and moms of normal Iraqis at risk.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:53:39 AM  

#1  Time to put these places down.

Hard cordons. Put up miles of jersey barriers, concertina and tanglefoot - and possibly minefields - facing INWARD in a perimeter around these places. Create hard checkpoints in and out of these Sunni cities. If they want to make thier cities into shitholes, let them. But keep them bottled up there to deal with the consequences. Nothing in, nothing out, other than inspected food trucks.

Any foreigners found will be deported if found with valid ID no weapons. If found with weapons or evidence of terrorist training (forged IDs etc) they will be summarily executed. On the spot. Locals found with weapons/IED materiels or captured while fighting will be put in prison camps in Kurdish areas, under Kurdish guard, and their adult family members [in the Arab sense of the word: father, brothers, sons] will be expelled and jailed with them. This woudl only apply to the "tribal" cheifs, whose entire family (males of legal age) should be placed "at risk" for acts committed by each other.

Anyone wishing to leave voluntarily has to go to a 30 day detention center for vetting against terror links, then will be relocated to a Kurd or Shia part of the country at a refugee camp there, where Kurdish and Shia security will be watching them.

The Baathists must have the consequences driven home to them - and so does the population that supports these thugs.
Posted by: OldSpook   2005-01-11 9:50:08 AM  

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