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TERRORISTAN: Iran and Syria Form United Front
2005-02-17
Iran and Syria, who both are facing pressure from the United States, said Wednesday they will form a "united front" to confront possible threats against them, state-run television reported.
With the US killing their mortal Wahabi enemies, why wouldn't Assyrian and Persians feel in a position of strength? They are well aware that the recent Iraq election was nothing but a pre-determination circus, the outcome of which was dictated by the Persian terrorists. Teheran now owns a corridor of friendlies, that stretches to Jerusalem, and is legitimated by State Department largesse.
Syrians, not Assyrians. Assyrians today are mostly Christian, and live in Iraq. Syrians are majority Allawite, and live in Syria.
"In view of the special conditions faced by Syria, Iran will transfer its experience, especially concerning sanctions, to Syria," Mohammad Reza Aref, Iran's first vice president, was quoted as saying after meeting Syrian Prime Minister Mohammad Naji Otari. "At this sensitive point, the two countries require a united front due to numerous challenges." Otari concurred, saying, "The challenges we face in Syria and Iran require us to be in one front to confront all the challenges imposed (on us) by others."
This scum should be on their wretched knees, begging for their filthy lives.
But they're not, so it's a problem to be dealt with, without going into hysterics. It's a formalization of a relationship that's existed for awhile: Syria is to Iran as Lebanon is to Syria.
The report did not specifically mention the challenges, but both countries are under U.S. economic sanctions and the targets of intense American pressure.
While the Persian-Assyrian Axis spends profusely to support terror and terror preparations in Iraq and Israel, Condi is tossing rhetoric-bombs, while opposition starves in those tyrannies.
She's using diplomatic tools, which is her job as Secretary of State. Opposition has been starving in those tyrannies for some time. Internal opposition in both countries are tools that can be used, and neither you nor I have a handle on exactly what's being done with them. It's just that the handle you don't have is bigger than the one I don't have.
Iran, which President Bush had labeled an "axis of evil" with North Korea and prewar Iraq, was named an "outpost of tyranny" last month by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.
But, only sticks and stones break bones.
That's a truism. Another truism is that you can't do everything at once, even if you'd like to...
The United States has accused Iran of seeking to produce nuclear weapons, while relations with Syria have deteriorated, especially since Monday's assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. Many Lebanese blamed Monday's car bombing in Beirut on Syria, but the Syrian government has denied responsibility. Washington is recalling its ambassador from Syria in apparent response to Hariri's killing.
Finger-pointing is so scary.
Fingerprinting can be even scarier...
Washington also accuses Syria of aiding anti-Israeli militants and supporting insurgents in Iraq. Tehran and Damascus have been strategic allies for years. Syria was the only Arab country that continued its warm relations with Iran during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war.
Assyrians are not "Arabs." Language does not determine ethnicity. And Aramic use is on the rise there, with the widespread local belief that Jesus Christ was an Assyrian.

Fred:
Respectfully, what would be your proposed Plan B. A Pak-Sunni had this to say in the Daily Times, last weekend, "The Bush administration is under the false impression that the elections in Iraq have heralded the era of democracy in Iraq and thus justify the Bush pre-emption doctrine. What, it seems, they cannot see is that the US has just facilitated a major transfer of power in the Arab World — from Sunnis to Shiites. Thanks to the US the Arab Shiites will now control Baghdad — the jewel in the Islamic crown — after a millennium. They did not rule over Baghdad even under the glorious Fatimid dynasty (909-1171) that governed Egypt, North Africa and Syria but had only a tenuous hold over Baghdad, briefly under the Buwayhid tribal confederation, before the Turkic Seljuks invaded and captured the city with help from the Abbasids." Semitic culture is rooted in the Tigris-Euphrates territories. Persian terrorists feel they been delivered an enormous strategic salient. When that sinks in with all Sunnis, they won't be thinking about State Department chiliastic "democracy" but obedience to some self-proclaimed ghazi (warrior-priest) will become an imperative. Inherent-slavery denial (re the Muslimutt ethos) is superceding Holocaust denial, as a force of intellectual depravity. Show me how the Middle East Democratic Intiative can possibly work, and I will get online.
This is the third time you've posted this particular piece. The first one I responded to, the second one I dumped. I'm getting tired of arguing the same point.

Sunnis, both in Iraq and in Pakistan, are rivals to the Shiites. Iranians — both Persians and other ethnic groups within Iran — have also historically been rivals to the Arabs. Today's Semitic culture is not rooted in the Tigris-Euphrates, but in Arabia, specifically the sandy part of Arabia. The Gulf Arabs have historically been more civilized, along with being richer. You'll find there are differences between the Najaf and Qom schools of Shiite thought, just as there are differences within the Sunni schools. The Najaf school has been held down for many years by the Sunni rulers of Iraq, while the Qom school isn't (or historically wasn't) as respected as the Najaf school. Persian dominance of Mesopotamia traditionally hasn't worked well, mainly because of the cultural differences between the Semites and the Medes and Persians. All those are handles for political and diplomatic exploitation.

Relying on military force exclusively is a dumb idea. All jobs aren't hammer jobs; some take screwdrivers, some pliers or wrenches and some take chain saws. Just like diplomacy, military force is a tool of national policy. Diplomacy is a lot cheaper than using military means. The corpse count is usually lower, too.

As I've pointed out before, we use the term "democracy" as shorthand for "liberty" or "personal freedom." There's an entire area of the world where "democracy" is occasionally given some sort of form, but liberty is still viewed as something frightening. That's ingrained in Islam, which attempts to control every aspect of life. We know here all about the illiberal aspects of Islam. We've seen it for three and a half years. The problem is defined, really. Now we're much more concerned with a solution. But solutions are dependent on constraints: we're not going to convert everyone in the area to agnosticism or Buddhism or Cao Dai. There's no tradition of participatory democracy to build on. The neighbors — virtually all of them — are hostile. We, as a civilized people, don't want to simply nuke the entire area, making a desolation and calling it peace. There are also limits to the amount of strain we want to put on our economy as we fight a worldwide war on terror.

The inhabitants of the Middle East are real, actual people. I don't know if you've ever lived in another country, but even weird places like South Waziristan are inhabited by human beings. They're often goofy, their customs aren't the same as ours, they're frightened by the idea of their societies being changed by the great wide world. Killing and maiming real, live people isn't something you want to do lightly. Before it comes to that it is to everyone's advantage to explore all the other avenues that are available. That means we're probably not going to end up with results that are perfectly to our liking. But killing everyone in the area and sowing it with salt isn't a result to our liking, either. Therefore, I'd like to see the diplomatic moves continue, the international political moves continue, the covert operations continue, before we see a major military operation against Iran. Do I think it'll eventually come? Yes. Do I think dismantling Iran militarily will be much harder than taking Iraq apart was? No. But I'd be happy to see it done without a shot being (officially) fired, if that's actually possible.
Posted by:IToldYouSo

#13  Wank, wank, wank.
Posted by: IDidSoToo   2005-02-17 1:59:11 AM  

#12  Ohhh, Jules darling, that knife is sharp! ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-02-17 7:10:59 PM  

#11  ...repatriation of the Anglo-American oil fields to remove their principal strategic resource.

Wonder what that means?
Posted by: Jules 187   2005-02-17 1:18:16 PM  

#10  :>
Posted by: Shipman   2005-02-17 12:19:12 PM  

#9  man, I love a good spanking
Posted by: Frank G   2005-02-17 12:15:07 PM  

#8  We have Fred, Dan, and LH leading the choir and making good sense. ITYS, you might want to start paying attention. Else, as .com says, you might want to go start your own blog and expound away. You'll be lonely in a Popular Front for the Liberation of Judaea kind of way but I don't think that particularly bothers you.

You have a choice, ITYS, you can learn from the people you encounter or you can be another Quiet American.
Posted by: Steve White   2005-02-17 12:10:05 PM  

#7  methinks the US trying to impose secularism on Pakistan would be the fastest way to get Waziris, baluchis and sindis on the same side as the Punjabis. Ditto trying to impose secularism on Iraq would unite Sunni Arabs, Shia arabs, and Persian Shias. Quaint to see unashamed imperialists, but there are reasons we aint, and that the Brits gave up. Imperialism works when youre NOT trying to change local culture much - otherwise its way too costly.

Undoable strategies, from kill em all, to convert em all, to give em everything they want and make em all happy, are all just distractions from REAL strategic debates, which we need to have.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2005-02-17 9:51:36 AM  

#6   Um, upwards of 70% of the Persians actually hate the Iranians, right?

Moreover, the UIA is a coalition of over 100+ parties covering just about every ideological orientation known to the region, including some Sunni candidates. They aren't likely to last as a viable electoral force when they get into the nitty-gritty details of running gobermint, so the idea of them imposing a theocracy in Iraq is nothing short of absurd, especially when you consider that such an attempt would trigger civil war with the Sunni Arabs and the Kurds - thereby negating any advantages the Shi'ites won at the ballot box!
Posted by: Dan Darling   2005-02-17 2:38:31 AM  

#5  Oh, baby. Ya can't get there from here.

Go start your own, son.
Posted by: .com   2005-02-17 2:13:56 AM  

#4  I have been on the Jazeera (Arab Peninsula) and in Turkey and Malaysia. I have also corresponded with Waziris, Balochis and Sindhis who would like foreign support for their opposition to Punjabi occupation. Democracy that supports Punjabi power won't help them. Knowledge and experience makes me an unashamed imperialist, and a mortal enemy of any murder cult that imposes slavery (abd) to a fictious deity (allah), in the name of elite status defense. We have to impose Secularism on Islamania, whether they like it or not. GWB needs to be pressured into one-button solutions to the problem of jihadism. The current Them v Us imbalance, needs to be reversed. It is time to make total war on Muslim aggressors, starting with repatriation of the Anglo-American oil fields to remove their principal strategic resource. Anyone who is prepared to accept a bloody 20 year slog of shot-gun war while Muslimutts prepare WMD, is a either a masochist or a Pollyanna. Americans cannot afford this type of war but, most importantly, won't put up with it, especially after Iraqi voters elected a slate of Shiite extremists.

Why is the rather obvious cultural unification among Iraqi and Persian Shiites - manifest in joint blood-letting during Ashoura - not impacting here? The supposed Arab v Persian conflict among Shiites, is pure spin. Al-Sistani is a Persian. Al-Sadr took personal counsel from Rafsanjani, before launching his terror campaign.

Posted by: IToldYouSo   2005-02-17 2:13:55 AM  

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: IDidSoToo TROLL   2005-02-17 1:59:11 AM  

#2  Show me how the Middle East Democratic Intiative can possibly work, and I will get online.

I'd prefer to see "get off-line".
Posted by: Pappy   2005-02-17 12:46:21 AM  

#1  Minor correction Fred, while Alawites control Syria, they are only 10% or less of the population. 75% of Syrians are Sunni Arabs.
Posted by: phil_b   2005-02-17 12:33:49 AM  

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