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Africa: Horn
UN Envoy 'Horrified' by Fresh Darfur Attacks
2005-02-03
The top UN envoy in Sudan said he was horrified by fresh attacks in Darfur and urged both sides yesterday to stop fighting this month and conclude a peace agreement by the end of the year. "Stop the fighting in February. Talk 10 months ... but you should not give yourselves 10 years," envoy Jan Pronk said, referring a separate deal to end more than 20 years of civil war in southern Sudan signed last month after a decade of talks.

He told reporters that last week he visited the Labado area in the east of South Darfur state, which saw fierce fighting between the government and rebels in December, followed by what Pronk called a "systematic pattern" of attacks by militias on civilian villages in which many people died. "I was horrified by what I saw in Labado. All huts had been demolished and burnt down... All water wells have been destroyed," he said. Militias had destroyed dozens of villages around the town in a similar manner, he added.

He said the African Union (AU) summit to be held in Khartoum in January 2006 should be an incentive to achieve peace before receiving the presidents from more than 50 nations to Sudan. Pronk was speaking two days after an independent commission of inquiry, in a report to the United Nations, stopped short of the US assessment that there has been genocide in Darfur. But it said government and military officials and allied Arab militia leaders were responsible for widespread abuses which may constitute crimes against humanity.
Oh, innat terrible? He's "horrified." Not to the point where he calls for real armies to step in and depose a corrupt dictatorship that commits what may constitute "crimes against humanity," though not genocide, of course. Instead, he calls on both sides to "stop the killing" and be nice. I'm ready to scrape the UN from the national shoe every time I read something like this.
Posted by:Fred

#21  Rangel. ROLF!!! Yeah, there's a man of integrity.
Posted by: .com   2005-02-03 11:53:10 PM  

#20  I know that Rangel has been very outspoken about the problem.

I thought he was involved with PETA in shaking down berating KFC.

Chickens take preference over Black Africans?
Posted by: Pappy   2005-02-03 11:51:26 PM  

#19  Sounds like a good case for getting the locals some serious training in weapons and tactics so they can defend themselves. Some SF leverage might do some good. I am not familiar with the details involved, but the Sudan govt needs a good bloody nose. Read the history of the Sudan and weep.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2005-02-03 11:17:31 PM  

#18  Europe is full of sympathy for others and that is about it. If someone balls have to be placed on the line outside of the UK there is nothing. The Phrench will gladly defend their interests but noting else. The rest of them are pretty much usless as tits on a bull. Sudan is Europes problem. They were never a colony of the US or a client state. We have our hands full. We have had no problem using the G word. The rest of the UN has.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2005-02-03 10:51:55 PM  

#17  There's inadequate political support within the USA for a military intervention in Darfur.

Why can't the EU do something? This isn't quite in their back yard, a la the Balkans, but it's still closer to them than it is to us.

Besides, we're busy with the more dicey stuff.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2005-02-03 10:37:44 PM  

#16  Ok....would it be easier to list what the UN can do successfully? Rather easy.

I contend that the UN is like a meeting without and adjenda. They are a waste of time.
Posted by: Mark E.   2005-02-03 10:17:24 PM  

#15  Luckily the UN is too ineffective to cause many problems.
Posted by: Shipman   2005-02-03 7:42:16 PM  

#14  
Re #11 (Jules): when it comes to the UN, you are as unwilling to criticize the UN

I've criticized the UN plenty, and I'll criticize it again. The UN is structurally unable to intervene effectively in many major international problems. The UN consists mostly of countries that are undemocratic, ignorant, corrupt, backward, foolish, and so forth. The UN wastes a lot of money. Does that make you happy enough for now?

That doesn't mean, though, that the UN is to blame for all the world's problems. It doesn't mean that the USA's own non-intervention in such problems is the fault of the UN. It doesn't mean that if the UN disappeared, then the world would be a better place. It doesn't mean that the UN does not serve some useful purposes, such as providing a forum where practically all the world's countries belong and participate.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-02-03 7:21:04 PM  

#13  
Re #11 (Jules): That's because Pres. Bush already knows that any offers to intervene militarily WITH THE HELP OF ALLIES will be flatly refused and mocked by the less ethical among the UN members

There's inadequate political support within the USA for a military intervention in Darfur. In that regard, the USA is no different than its allies or than other members of the UN Security Council.

We are not in a situation where the USA would decide to intervene if it had support from the UN and from other countries. The real situation is that the USA does not want to intervene.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-02-03 7:14:27 PM  

#12  You know they should really stop because teh UN tells them to stop.

The UN is to coolest. The UN should run the Solar system. The UN should run the US and get to decide homwe much taxes you need to pay.

Kofi is like a God. I love Kofi.
Posted by: Sike Mylwester   2005-02-03 6:41:13 PM  

#11  MS-That's because Pres. Bush already knows that any offers to intervene militarily WITH THE HELP OF ALLIES will be flatly refused and mocked by the less ethical among the UN members, while 6000-10000 people per month are dying in Darfur from unnatural causes.

Mike-It's amazing to me that you can be so sensible on WoT issues, but when it comes to the UN, you are as unwilling to criticize the UN as a cowed woman is of a spouse who has just beat the crap out of her and the police are on the phone asking if she needs help.

"Oh, no, he's wonderful, he's the best thing I know in this world. Nothing's wrong. Oh, those bruises? Well, I tripped down the stairs..."
Posted by: Jules 187   2005-02-03 6:28:22 PM  

#10  
He's "horrified." Not to the point where he calls for real armies to step in and depose a corrupt dictatorship that commits what may constitute "crimes against humanity," though not genocide, of course. Instead, he calls on both sides to "stop the killing" and be nice.

The very same can be said about President Bush.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-02-03 6:17:08 PM  

#9  
Re #6 (Pappy): Where is public outcry from Rangel ...

I know that Rangel has been very outspoken about the problem.
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Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2005-02-03 6:15:40 PM  

#8  The so called "Dafur Crisis" will need to wait until the superb bowl is over. This will free up the cruise shipping necessry for a balls to the wall UN effort.

LiberalHawk... WOT heard Jacksonville described on NPR as Baja Florida. LOL!
Posted by: Shipman   2005-02-03 5:33:57 PM  

#7  US citizens "horrified" by UN inaction.
Posted by: Mark E.   2005-02-03 1:39:05 PM  

#6  Where is public outcry from Rangel, Obama, Jesse Jackson etc about the abject slaughter of "Blacks" by Insano Muslims.

Black Africans don't vote Democrat.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-02-03 11:03:05 AM  

#5  In keeping with the Bush Doctrine I say we send some Special Forces troops along with CIA assets into Darfur and get Black Africans back on the offensive and work to collapse this Regime as well. PS Where is public outcry from Rangel, Obama, Jesse Jackson etc about the abject slaughter of "Blacks" by Insano Muslims. Not a peep. Disgusting.
Posted by: Rightwing   2005-02-03 11:00:12 AM  

#4  If they aren't careful, he is going to start calling them by their full names. And then say he is ashamed of them.
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-02-03 10:31:04 AM  

#3  You could tell he was horrified. He passed on dessert...
Posted by: tu3031   2005-02-03 9:48:18 AM  

#2  You boys are naughty! *lip quivering* Go to your room for 10 months! (/sarcasm)
Where do they get these idiots? Oh that's right, old Europe.
Posted by: Spot   2005-02-03 8:39:04 AM  

#1  I guess since the US didn't ratify the ICC, the UN will not do anything, out of spite.
Posted by: Pappy   2005-02-03 12:46:42 AM  

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