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Just what is torture?
2005-01-07
Not anything the US has been doing, says this article. A must-read.
Posted by:growler

#15  Barney has been playing on PBS several times each day for at least 2 decades.

/not so old as all that ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-07 9:38:21 PM  

#14  What is torture? Tortune is much like obscenity, you will know it when it hurts.
Posted by: Captain America   2005-01-07 8:52:08 PM  

#13  Loved the Barney song when they were little? Good lord, how old are they now? Wasn't that just last year or so?

//getting old
Posted by: Asedwich   2005-01-07 7:47:21 PM  

#12  OK - Di-Fi is a gun-grabbing loser, but she's no Kennedy. You win lose
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-07 4:33:11 PM  

#11  Frank. We also have a certain Mr. Kennedy as a senator?
Game. Set. Match.
Posted by: tu3031   2005-01-07 4:31:09 PM  

#10  hmmmm X - we may have a draw...
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-07 4:20:47 PM  

#9  #3 Frank G:

Well, I've got JF'nK as my Senator.
Posted by: Xbalanke   2005-01-07 4:15:20 PM  

#8  When Species Collide
Posted by: .com   2005-01-07 3:37:56 PM  

#7  Hey! I like Barry Manilow! And the Beachboys, and Mozart, and John Lee Hooker, and.... And my children loved the Barney song when they were little. Listening to things you don't like is merely torment, which I don't believe is even mentioned in the Geneva Conventions. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife   2005-01-07 2:10:19 PM  

#6  Read the article, and weep. This is the most depressing, and infuriating, account I've read in the last four years. In essence it shows that our interrogation of prisoners is not only completely feckless and hamstrung by Pentagon lawyer-imposed self-constraints that go far beyond those in the Geneva convention--which doesn't even apply!-- but that the media narrative that 1) Gitmo was the torture laboratory for techniques 2) extended to Iraq and used in the Abu Ghraib frat parties is complete, utter horseshit.

Gitmo was and is no more torturous than a club med. The Abu Ghraib nonsense was not sanctioned by anything Rumsfeld wrote or ordered, and in any case was completely unrelated to interrogation. And on top of all of this, our ridiculously mild and overscrupulous techniques are not eliciting much information at all. Farce and tragedy combined.
Posted by: lex   2005-01-07 1:59:57 PM  

#5  Meow meow meow meow
Posted by: Seafarious   2005-01-07 1:24:16 PM  

#4  I speak for the world, Richard Gere.

Who speaks for that gerbil rammed up his ass?
Posted by: Raj   2005-01-07 1:21:23 PM  

#3  or having Barbara Boxer as your Senator....damn
Posted by: Frank G   2005-01-07 12:37:32 PM  

#2  lol! You forgot, I speak for the world, Richard Gere.
Posted by: 2b   2005-01-07 12:35:55 PM  

#1  Torture is listening to Barry Manilow, Barbara Streisand, or John "F" Kerry or in general, baseless liberal diatribes based on "Feelings" and little logic.
Posted by: John Q. Citizen   2005-01-07 12:31:59 PM  

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