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Home Front: WoT
Muslims claim unfair treatment at border
2004-12-30
BUFFALO, N.Y. -- An Islamic civil rights group Wednesday accused U.S. border agents of religious profiling after dozens of American Muslims were searched, fingerprinted and photographed while returning from a religious conference in Toronto.
Now where did I put my nano-violin?
Some of those stopped said they were held at the Lewiston-Queenston Bridge for six hours or more with no explanation. A spokeswoman for Homeland Security's Customs and Border Protection said agents stopped anyone who said they attended the three-day convention, titled "Reviving the Islamic Spirit," based on information that such gatherings can be a means for terrorists to promote their cause.
I'm shocked, shocked that Homeland Security would do such a think? They must have gotten a clue in their Christmas stocking.
"I asked `If I refuse to give my fingerprints, what will you do?"' said Galeb Rizek, 32, who claimed he arrived at the border around midnight and was held until 6:30 a.m. "(The agent) said, `You can refuse, but you'll be here until hell freezes over you do."' Rizek, whose family owns a hotel in Niagara Falls, said he is a frequent traveler across the border and has never before been fingerprinted or photographed. He described one woman, traveling with her young daughter, who protested and sobbed through the fingerprinting. The little girl cried as well.
No word on the fate of her puppy
"It was kind of dramatic. You really feel like a criminal and you haven't done anything wrong," said Rizek, who was born in the United States. "The image of a room full of American Muslim citizens apparently being held solely because of their faith and the fact that they attended an Islamic conference is one that should be disturbing to all Americans who value religious freedom," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.
Funny, it brings a warm glow to my heart
Somehow, as soon as CAIR shows up, I cease finding things like this disturbing.
The group demanded an investigation by Homeland Security officials.
Followed by the award of a commendation medal... sorry, that was my investigation.
CBP spokeswoman Kristie Clemens said 34 people were stopped at the Lewiston crossing and four others were checked at the nearby Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls. They were held for an average of 2 1/2 hours and offered coffee and tea, she said. Clemens acknowledged the inconvenience over the additional security measures, but said with the threat of terrorism, there was no room for error. "We have ongoing credible information that conferences such as the one that these 34 individuals just left in Toronto may be used by terrorist organizations to promote terrorist activities, which includes traveling and fund raising," Clemens said. "As the front-line border agency, it is our duty to verify the identity of individuals — including U.S. citizens — and one way of doing that is fingerprinting."
Wow, common sense! That'll have to stop.
Just flashing a driver's license doesn't do anymore. There's no telling where it was made, or who made it...
Mo Rizek, 19, said frustration among those held for several hours boiled over to seething anger.
That's the usual Islamic reaction to most things, isn't it?
"Everyone was yelling," he said. "Some people had a 10-hour drive back to Connecticut in front of them, people had to go to work in the morning ... Every single person there was a U.S. citizen." He said one of the messages of the convention was how to change for the better the way people feel about Muslims post-Sept. 11.
I can think of several things: a moratorium on seething; replacing CAIR with a goat and eating the goat; maybe even concentrating on being an American, rather than on being a Moose limb. I'll bet none of those things were brought up at the conference.
Posted by:Steve

#33  I would have offered them chips with pork-dip.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-12-30 11:20:18 PM  

#32  He said one of the messages of the convention was how to change for the better the way people feel about Muslims post-Sept. 11.

One way is not to get all bent out of shape over increased scrutiny caused by the actions of your fellow Muslims.

Assign blame where it rightfully belongs, not where emotion says it should go.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-12-30 5:03:32 PM  

#31  Congrats on your discoveries, LH. My kids wanted to stop in Denver on the way back from Vail to meet my high school boyfriend, just to see how much better their daddy is. Girls can be cruel! (I refused. Let them be mean on their own time. And anyway, he finally found happiness with wife #3, and should be allowed to enjoy in peace).
Posted by: trailing wife   2004-12-30 4:47:49 PM  

#30  well wadya know? In response to Ships Q, i did a little searching. DIDNT find the answer, but DID find an alumni page for NFTY. And found that several people I went to camp with are doing just fine. All the girls I had crushes on are married :) which should suit mrs hawk just fine;). One young woman who sat next to me in modern Hebrew class moved to Israel and got married there. Guess her Hebrew is better than mine now (mine was FAR better then)
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-12-30 3:38:43 PM  

#29  They should be glad I didn't "roll" their prints. They might still be there. If I had to give my prints to get back in the country It would be no problem. I suggest carrying your passport next time diptards.
Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom   2004-12-30 3:37:54 PM  

#28  Ya da ya da ya da!
Posted by: John Q. Citizen   2004-12-30 3:24:17 PM  

#27  and invasive. Just like the Fla woman who wanted her veil on for her DL photo - these mooks shoulda been allowed to wear gloves for their fingerprinting. It says so in the Koran
Posted by: Frank G   2004-12-30 1:22:16 PM  

#26  BTW, modern fingerprinting mostly involves a "livescan" unit. Slap your pinkies down on a glass panel for all of 10 seconds, no ink and paper. That's so brutal, dude...
Posted by: mojo   2004-12-30 1:18:35 PM  

#25  Ain't that the shitz
Posted by: Capt America   2004-12-30 1:08:29 PM  

#24  a Rabbi? Sounds like Dan Rather....
Posted by: Frank G   2004-12-30 1:03:56 PM  

#23  As many a Rabbi would say, it may not be LITERALLY true, but it expressed a deeper truth :)
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-12-30 1:01:24 PM  

#22  In the '70s it WAS called NELFTY (North Eastern Lakes Federation of Temple Youth) which was the oddest name among all the regions. I asked somebody why, and thats the story I got. Of course it MIGHT have had something to do with Toronto being on Lake Ontario rather than Lake Erie:) Or maybe just someone getting tired of "lefty" jokes. I suppose these days theres actually some way to check it out, but Ive never tried.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-12-30 1:00:05 PM  

#21  LOL LH are you serious?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-12-30 12:43:33 PM  

#20  Wow. They were fingerprinted? And then offered coffee and tea?
Will the brutality of our government never stop???
BTW....thanks, Border Patrol (whose members, I daresay, have been fingerprinted at least once to get their jobs.....and probably weren't offered beverages at the time they submitted to this gross indignity.)
Posted by: Desert Blondie   2004-12-30 12:27:00 PM  

#19  That's the price of crossing the border

Yup. Story I heard back in the '70s, about an incident in the '50s or so. May be apocryphal:

The Reform Jewish Youth organization is (and was) called the National Federation of Temple Youth - NFTY for short. Regional groups have similar acronyms - thus NEFTY is New England Federation of Temple Youth, CAFTY is California, etc.

Well the region that included Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto was called, naturally enough, Lake Erie Federation of Temple Youth. LEFTY. So a bunch of kids from Toronto is asked at the border why theyre going to Buffalo - "We're going to a LEFTY meeting" Took a lot of explaining. Which is why (so its said) the region was subsequently named NELFTY (North Eastern Lakes Federation of Temple Youth)





Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-12-30 11:57:23 AM  

#18  Thanks, Emily. Looking at the program, I have to be fair and say that there isn't anything that would cause my twitchy antennae to think, "hmmm, they're talking about conquest, booms and jihad". But perhaps that's just the public face and they talked about something else behind closed doors.

The folks at that bridge could help us immensely by being the true moderate Muslims they claim to be -- by speaking about against the jihadis, and more importantly by pointing out the jihadis and their helpers. Then we could finish the WoT, and they could go back to their peaceful religious conferences.
Posted by: Steve White   2004-12-30 11:49:43 AM  

#17  Danm stright Dave. Do you think we could even *have* a christian revival meeting in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, or even Indonesia? (Or even Iraq for that matter).

I'll listen to their bellyaching when we start raping, beating, chopping their heads off for even attending an 'Islamic' conference. (Not that I'm advocating we do these things.)

Ingrates!
Posted by: DirecterOfSecretOperations   2004-12-30 11:30:25 AM  

#16  Islam is the utter negation of religious freedom.

Well said, Dave.
Posted by: Jules 187   2004-12-30 11:22:27 AM  

#15  These morons wanted to know why they were being DETAINED? I want to know why on earth we let them back in at all??? Here's hoping that next year's conference is even bigger...and that we seal the freaking border after they all get NORTH of it!!
Posted by: Justrand   2004-12-30 11:21:10 AM  

#14  "The image... is one that should be disturbing to all Americans who value religious freedom."

I've got some news for you, you raghead bastard: ISLAM is disturbing to Americans who value religious freedom, because Islam is the utter negation of religious freedom.

Get out. Get out while you still can.
Posted by: Dave D.   2004-12-30 11:12:05 AM  

#13  anybody got a list of the speakers at their "religious conference"?

Ask and Google doth provide:

Among the many confirmed speakers are Dr. Tareq Suwaidan, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Ustadh Amr Khaled, Imran Khan, Dr. Zakir Naik and LIVE nasheed performances by RAIHAN and SAMI YUSUF.
Oh, look! A website! Go to programs, someone with more knowledge will have to look these guys up.
Posted by: Steve   2004-12-30 11:11:13 AM  

#12  Crap. The link came out too wide. Can a moderator please hide it under the tag "Islamic Forum posting"? Thanks.
Posted by: ed   2004-12-30 11:09:55 AM  

#11  lol - beat me by "that much"
Posted by: Maxwell Smart   2004-12-30 11:09:06 AM  

#10  Truly the internet is a wonderul thing:

http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/speakers.asp
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-12-30 11:06:46 AM  

#9  See post 9
Go to post #9 for a review from an enthusiatic participant.
Next Imam Zaid Shakir (American convert) talked about making peace in the world, and how the Prophet p.b.u.h. did that. (By raiding caravans and chopping off the heads of the Quraishis?)

Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Allah talked about the history of Islam in America and Canada. Beginning with pre-Columbus discoveries of North America and on to the slaves who were brang in the continent..then the more recent immigration of global muslims, Islam has deep roots in North America. (In other words, North America was muslim before Columbus, so muslims are the rightful rulers.)

Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood." ... After this, I felt that there was so much more hope in this world of Muslims being in power again, because I hadn't heard of this hadeeth before. If you want to know more about it (before getting the RIS DVD of course :thumbsup: ) go to http://www.geocities.com/anwardotcom/khilafah.html which is basically the same explanation given by Dr. Suwaidan. I can't wait to go again :i: XD. (Ah, yes. The neverending goal to rule the world under the Caliphate.)

Here is a Daniel Pipes article on last year's Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in Toronto: Canadian Islamists Host a Neo-Nazi

The next Toronto Islamic conference: Toronto Shariah Program. How appropriate.
Posted by: ed   2004-12-30 11:06:28 AM  

#8  Poor damn victimized Muslims. They never get a break.
By the way, anybody got a list of the speakers at their "religious conference"? I'd be interested in seeing that.
Posted by: tu3031   2004-12-30 11:00:47 AM  

#7  This is the best news I've heard since - November. Keep it up, BP.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-12-30 10:56:20 AM  

#6  "Racial"? I mean 'religious'.
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-12-30 10:47:08 AM  

#5  I'm thinking of going to Mecca and/or Medina some time in the New Year for a bit or R&R. I am sure that I won't be hassled by anyone en route. These Muslim chaps don't sound like the types to tolerate racial profiling of travelers.
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-12-30 10:46:34 AM  

#4  But they can't convert, bad. Their lives are forfeit if they leave Allan's benevolent embrace...
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-12-30 10:42:57 AM  

#3  "It was kind of dramatic. You really feel like a criminal and you haven't done anything wrong," said Rizek, who was born in the United States.

Trust me: If you were made to 'feel like a criminal' you would be sitting in jail right now.

"The image of a room full of American Muslim citizens apparently being held solely because of their faith and the fact that they attended an Islamic conference is one that should be disturbing to all Americans who value religious freedom," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Which 'religious freedom' would that be? The freedom to be associated with a religion known to support and fund mass murder worldwide, or the activities like antitheistic organizations like the ACLU to censor Christianity?

He said one of the messages of the convention was how to change for the better the way people feel about Muslims post-Sept. 11

The best way to do that? Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Convert from your barbaric religion to something less barbaric.
Posted by: badanov   2004-12-30 10:39:15 AM  

#2  A "relgious conference", you say? Who were the speakers, and was it all hosted in English? How much zakat did you fork over for the "Palestinian Widows' and Orphans' Fund?" Did any of the organizers give you business cards, phone numbers, or ask you to pass along a message to "Cousin Mahmoud?"
Posted by: Seafarious   2004-12-30 10:34:48 AM  

#1  That's the price of crossing the border.
Posted by: Snath Ebbish7855   2004-12-30 10:31:09 AM  

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