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| Rumsfeld Says Iraqis Must Stop Insurgents | |
| 2004-12-26 | |
In his Christmas eve encounters with U.S. military commanders and hundreds of their troops, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld heard — and said — little about armor or troop shortages, issues that have made him a political target in Washington among both Democrats and Republicans. His main message over a four-city tour was quite different: that the insurgency has staying power and a seemingly endless supply of weapons, and the time has come for ordinary Iraqis to realize that they — not the Americans — will ultimately decide who prevails in this conflict.
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| Posted by:Fred |
| #9 The SK Army at the time of Korea 1 was more of a national police force or armed constabulary with minor military or national defense applications. This was post-WW2 and many Americans. mostly naive or unlearned about what Communism or Socialism really meant, wanted their fighting men and women home, not out saving the world or interfering in another nation's affairs. The massive national demobilization that occurred after the end of WW2 resulted in a much smaller US armed force that was inequitable to its EQUAL GLOBAL MILPOL RESPONSIBILITIES-COMMITMENTS in Europe, Asia and Africa - few Americans and national leaders believed, or wanted to believe, and even with the beginnings of the USA-USSR Cold War, that war would begin again so soon. You also have to bear in mind that relatively few Americans well-understood what Communism or Socialism really meant in regards to the lawful and natural rights of the masses, as the former kept promising anything and everything up to the moon for their movement's power and ambitious dominance. Ask what they believe now, about so-called dedicated Leftists and Communists engaging in Fascism and Rightism that is being acribed by them as anything but Fascism or Rightism! As for the IRAQIS, like the Pals and PA they have to be able to control their nation or state, and to succesfully, perennially, and proactively do so against the most anarchic element of their society or existing within their society. Neither Israel nor any other International State or World State, Islamic or non-Islamic or anti-Islamic, is obliged to respect their statehood or nationalism until they do - its apples today amongst Islam, andor Islam versus non-Islam, just as it did decades, centuries, and millenias ago, e.g. as during the medieval PERSIA versus EGYPT VERSUS ANKARA, ...etc, and other INTRA-MOSLEM AND INTER-MOSLEM CITY-CITY, STATE-STATE, REGION-REGION CONTROVERSIES AND SECTARIANISM OF ANTIQUITY/ HISTORY! |
| Posted by: JosephMendiola 2004-12-26 10:31:10 PM |
| #8 use Jordanians, Egyptians, Algerians, whatever I think, though I could be wrong, that this is a part of the current problem. Let's not go there. |
| Posted by: Rafael 2004-12-26 9:34:20 PM |
| #7 If sufficient loyal Iragis can't be found, use Jordanians, Egyptians, Algerians, whatever. Excellent suggestion. As for the "whatever," I'd suggest private companies who employ mercenaries to do the training and co-ordination of aforementioned elite intel and assassination teams. These trainers would get their teams to get the job done fast if bonuses hung in the balance for a timely "pacification" of "insurgents." |
| Posted by: joeblow 2004-12-26 6:48:07 PM |
| #6 Hear, Hear! 1888 and HV! Well damn said. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-12-26 5:36:00 PM |
| #5 As you suggest WW1888 this isn't a job for regular military, or for the Iraqi military and police, and we don't need to wait for those organizations to be in place. It's a job for elite intel and paramilitary assassination teams. This approach needs to be stepped up in a hurry, if it's not already being done. If sufficient loyal Iragis can't be found, use Jordanians, Egyptians, Algerians, whatever. |
| Posted by: HV 2004-12-26 3:59:51 PM |
| #4 Time for people to open their history books on Korea. The South Korean Army was pretty much wasted in the first couple of months of fighting when the North Koreans invaded in 1950, not to mention the incredible low state of readiness the American forces sent there. The South Korean Army had to be rebuilt, during the fighting. It took time and a lot of bodies, mostly drafted in the most classical term of impressment. After the breakout from Pusan by the ROK/US/UN, a large number of North Korean soldiers faded into the population resulting in an insurgency/civil war focused, but not limited to the southwest quarter of the country which went for a good period of time even while conventional operations moved to the north. That 'internal' campaign was largely done by South Korean military and para-military police units. It also wasn't a kinder nicer form of warfare. The South Koreans eventually stepped forward and assumed the bulk of the war fighting and the casualties. Amazing the depth of historical ignorance displayed daily in the media. 50 years later, South Korea is a prosperous democratic nation. It just takes time. Its going to take time to train and equip motivated Iraqis to do the same. |
| Posted by: Whaing Wherong1888 2004-12-26 2:29:49 PM |
| #3 Seems to me that the point should be driven home via their own media, that the Iraqis have a lot to lose if they just passively tolerate enemy activity in their midst. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-26 2:27:44 PM |
| #2 With Iraqi ownership comes responsibility |
| Posted by: Capt America 2004-12-26 1:43:36 PM |
| #1 that the insurgency has staying power and a seemingly endless supply of weapons, and the time has come for ordinary Iraqis to realize It is not surprising that the MSM would ignore this point, because afterall, their self-loathing selves would never "find fault" with any non-Christian, non-white persons. However it is disapponting that Rumsfeld's neocon/RINO GOP detractors consciously chose to avoid stating the obvious about whose responsibility it is that the endless numbers of "insurgents" have access to weaponry, shelter, and food and that the majority of "insurgents" apprehended are not foreign nationals but rather are Iraqis. |
| Posted by: joeblow 2004-12-26 1:10:49 PM |