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Afghanistan/South Asia
Issue of border loyality
2004-10-31
Newsday
By James Rupert
BORDER CONTROL POST 3, Afghanistan - In the predawn dark Sept. 1, about 200 armed men charged in from Pakistan, firing rockets and rifles at this mountaintop military base. Beating off the attack, "we killed three of them and captured one," said Sakhi Rahman, the Afghan post's commander. "They were all Pakistani."
And who's surprised by that?
And can we send the border post a Marine gunny to advise them on marksmanship?
Pakistani border forces posted nearby did nothing to halt the attack, Rahman told visiting U.S. troops last weekend. Rather, when the invaders fled back across the border, Pakistani troops helped them carry and treat their wounded, he and other soldiers here said.
Nope. No reaction from the surprise meter.
While Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, has made his government an essential U.S. ally in its "war on terror," some Pakistani officials and security forces continue to support the Islamic militant Taliban movement, notably in attacks into Afghanistan, U.S. and Afghan military sources said. Pakistani border forces have helped truck Taliban militants to the frontier and even have supported attackers with rifle fire, they said.

Following pressure from President George W. Bush, Musharraf sent extra troops to parts of the Pakistani-Afghan border last month, and senior U.S. military officials have said Pakistan has clamped down on border infiltration, although it has not arrested Taliban leaders there. Pakistan's foreign ministry spokesman, Masood Khan, said the estimated 70,000 troops along the border form "a large chunk of Pakistan's forces and represents a large commitment" by Musharraf's government "to root out terrorists of any persuasion."

From bunkers dug into their rocky mountaintop, Rahman and his Afghan troops look over the Pakistani region of Waziristan. At Musharraf's order, Pakistan's army this year has attacked deep into Waziristan, an autonomous tribal territory, to uproot the largely foreign al-Qaida movement of Osama bin Laden. Pakistan has arrested an estimated 600 al-Qaida activists in the past three years and killed others in battle, including Chechens, Arabs, Uzbeks and local tribesmen who took their side. But the Taliban movement is more local -- born in Pakistan among the Pashtun tribes that dominate the Pakistani and Afghan border regions. It was bred, scholars say, by Pakistan's military intelligence agency as a way to install a pro-Pakistani government in Afghanistan.
But coincidentally, when the Paks began serious operations in South Waziristan the "Taliban" attacks in Afghanistan dropped off dramatically...
Since the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan forced the Taliban from power here in 2001, many of the movement's prominent leaders have been living as refugees in Pakistan. Afghans and many specialists on the region say such Taliban exiles have organized and financed attacks on U.S. and Afghan government targets in Afghanistan...
Posted by:Fred

#7  Hunt the Boeing! And test your perceptions!
http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm
Posted by: A Game 2 Play   2004-10-31 11:54:02 PM  

#6  Assalam Walikom - My name is troll & im a assalickin salami sucking mud monkey from Mecca. My father was stomped to death last rama-daman-ding-dong. My religion has existed for over 1,400 years & during that time & up untill this present date we have left a trail of blood.
Islam rises and falls on Muhammad. He is the religion's sole prophet, Islam’s solitary example, Allah’s lone conduit. Without Muhammad, Allah, the Qur’an, and Islam would be unknown.
his words aren’t believable. According to the Qur’an and Hadith, Muhammad was a thief, rapist, and terrorist. It’s hardly the example you’d want your neighbor to emulate, but who are you to judge ? We are peacefull people remember..

Muhammad, Allah, Mecca, and the formation of Islam are completely unknown to secular history. All we know of them is derived from the Qur’an and Hadith. The earliest and most important collection of Hadith is called the Sira, or Biography. Compiled by Ibn Ishaq, the Sira provides the only written account of this man, his god, place and religion within two centuries of his death. There is no other valid source from which Muhammad can be seen, or Islam can be interpreted, differently.
But who are you to judge ? We are peace loving people......remember.

Using Islam’s most holy books I was able to reorder the Qur’an chronologically and set it into the context of Muhammad’s life. The result is bone chilling. The depiction of the prophet by the most revered Muslim sources reveals behavior that is immoral, criminal, and violent. The five oldest and most trusted Islamic sources don't portray Muhammad as a great and godly man. They confirm that he was a thief, liar, assassin, mass murderer, terrorist, warmonger, and an unrestrained sexual pervert engaged in pedophilia, incest, and rape. He authorized deception, assassinations, torture, slavery, and genocide. He was a pirate, not a prophet. According to the Hadith and the Qur'an, Muhammad and his henchmen plundered their way to power and prosperity. And by putting the Qur'an in chronological order and correlating it with the context of Muhammad's life, we find that Allah mirrored his prophet's character. Muhammad's god condoned immoral and criminal behavior. Allah boasts about being a terrorist. He claims to have deceived men, to have stolen their property, to have enslaved women and children, to having committed acts of murder, genocide, and sadistic tortures.
But Who are you to judge ?? We are peace loving people remember....
What kind of people would conceive and perpetrate a scheme that would lead to the burning, mutilation and death of 350 young children as was done in the school in Russia? What dogma was responsible for motivating Islamic women to strap bombs to their bodies and board two Russian aircraft filled with passengers for the purpose of blowing them up and killing everyone?
.........Remember we are peace loving people
Posted by: TROLL   2004-10-31 11:47:15 PM  

#5  All civilized nations should launch pre-emptive military strikes on ANY foreign soil that is harboring, finacing, supporting or operating on. If they cant control their own shit, then we will flush it for them
Posted by: Pre-Emptive Strikes   2004-10-31 11:36:42 PM  

#4  What would probably do the trick is to send a handful of F-117s, one at a time spaced minutes apart to drop cluster bombs on attacking Paki-wakis when Afghan border outposts come under attack. The next best thing would be to have a gunship on call for "shredder duty".
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-10-31 10:55:10 PM  

#3  I think it's about time for both the Pakistanis and the border tribesmen in Waziristan to be "treated" to an Arclight demonstration. I'm sure such a demonstration would prove most beneficial in reducing border strife - especially until the nearby tribesmen recover their hearing, maybe in six to eight months. Even if the area hit was inside Afghanistan (but close - say 30 yards inside...) it would make a nice "impression". For some Islamic fundamentalists, it's the only kind of impression they understand.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-10-31 9:14:03 PM  

#2  Attacking a US fire base on the top of a mountain? That would not be my first choice. In fact, it would rate right up there with trying to have my way with a porcupine.
Posted by: Anonymoose   2004-10-31 4:22:01 PM  

#1  "all lies!lies! ...and coincidences. It can all be explained..."
Posted by: Frank G   2004-10-31 9:56:36 AM  

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