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Posted on SwiftVets:Okay, folks.
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| Posted by:Steve |
| #34 I was referring to those among us-- and there are altogether too many of them-- who've somehow managed to convince themselves we're not really in that desperate fight. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-10-29 5:39:54 PM |
| #33 Dave D.: I think you ignore a considerable body of evidence that we can still be a pugnacious people in a desperate fight. Let's Roll! |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-10-29 5:30:05 PM |
| #32 Should of just paid the $500 and gotten the HonD |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-10-29 5:04:32 PM |
| #31 "I am truly fascinated with the question of America's character, today. Are we still pugnacious? Fiesty? Tough enough?" Collectively, no; not by a long shot. There are a shocking number who are what I call "over-civilized", unable to deal with the world-- or perceive what goes on in it-- as other than overgrown children. A good 40% of our population is in dire need of an adult Outward Bound program, one in which they're thrown out into the desert to either learn to survive and fight their way back to civilization, all by themselves, or die. Because as they are right now, they're just overburden. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-10-29 5:04:18 PM |
| #30 I'll bet they didn't want to get swamped by OBL. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-10-29 5:02:05 PM |
| #29 Shit. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-10-29 4:57:28 PM |
| #28 DOH! Backtrack... or a hold-on guys. http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15171 |
| Posted by: Anon4021 2004-10-29 4:24:13 PM |
| #27 Jules - Carter's amnesty upgraded these people to Honorable. The story for vets will be what discharge did he get at separation... If OTH, he will lose 90% of that block that isn't in the ABB / BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome - h/t Mark Steyn) camp. That should be a full 8-10 points in the likely voters column. Vets Vote. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-10-29 4:17:38 PM |
| #26 Excellent article, Anon4021 - Thx! It's weird reading the old Sullivan, the pre-shorts-in-a-bunch-jackass, again, lol! He would hope to make the case that he and his ilk aren't threatening the moral fiber of America, of course, so much of it is self-serving. Obi-Wan, on the other hand states enough facts to support a good case. Thanks - easy to forget how many of us there are. The tip of the tail of the dog seems to be all you hear about in the "news" - always wagging the whole dog, to hear them tell it. When I was in Saudi in '92 we got Bahrain's CNN International (stolen - pre-scrambled), the major lead story was the Tailhook Scandal and Clinton's Don't Ask / Don't Tell policy. Sheesh. Made you wonder if the America thought you knew was even still there. I am truly fascinated with the question of America's character, today. Are we still pugnacious? Fiesty? Tough enough? Do we have gumption - my favorite word and the legacy of my ass-kicking grandfather? I would be happy, as old and shop-worn as I am, to take up arms again and do my part... I just wonder if I'll need to or even get the chance, should that be needed from the Jacksonian POV. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-10-29 4:13:25 PM |
| #25 Under Other Than Honorable Conditions...Examples of factors that may be considered include...abuse of a special position of trust...acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services... It is generally believed that an OTH Discharge will render an individual ineligible for all VA Benefits. This is not necessarily so...Most veterans' benefits will be forfeited if that determination is adverse to the former service-member...(3) conscientious objector who refuses to perform military duties, wear the uniform, or comply with lawful orders of competent military authorities; (4) willful or persistent misconduct; ...(6) mutiny or spying... Hmm. Very interesting. Mojo-you rock! |
| Posted by: Jules 187 2004-10-29 4:09:53 PM |
| #24 It's anybody's guess what effect this will have; don't forget, that DUI revelation in the last week of the 2000 campaign lopped several points off Bush's share of the vote. This might be similar. |
| Posted by: Dave D. 2004-10-29 4:08:34 PM |
| #23 The major upside I see would be that if something breaks, Kerry has to spend the rest of the time between now and the Tuesday spinning away from of this... He would be pinned inside the 5 yard line stuck on defense. |
| Posted by: Capsu78 2004-10-29 4:07:18 PM |
| #22 .com, I think you're right, but I also think that there's very few people in that "core of Jacksonian decency" (lovely turn of phrase, BTW!) who're still undecided. To put it another way, I suspect they've already factored the probability that Kerry was less-than-honorably discharged to their decision, and decided against him. |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-10-29 4:03:46 PM |
| #21 Types of discharge |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-10-29 3:59:36 PM |
| #20 Mike...the other side to this is how the MSM has been complicit in burying this story. There is the potential here to nail Kerry AND the MSM! With a Bush victory, this thing is gonna have looooooooooooooong legs. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-10-29 3:56:18 PM |
| #19 .com GOP Operative OBIWAN says no need to worry. http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerry200410280843.asp |
| Posted by: Anon4021 2004-10-29 3:55:56 PM |
| #18 Is it just me or does anyone else around here sense that Rove's evil plan is beginning to unfold? |
| Posted by: peggy 2004-10-29 3:55:23 PM |
| #17 Mike - that's hard to say. I have to constantly keep in mind that those who frequent RB and other Internet news / blog sites are the exception, not the rule. You are at least 10x better informed than Joe & Jane Average, I'm certain. How that translates into the reality of the election, how well they are informed, how much they hear from the non-MSM sources by word of mouth or rumor? Beats the hell outta me, bro. THAT is why I have so overt little confidence in a clear victory. I am banking, literally, that there is a core of Jacksonian decency - simple folks who know a liar when they see and hear him - out there that will show up Nov 2nd. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-10-29 3:52:17 PM |
| #16 From BeldarBlog: Update (Fri Oct 29 @ 2:35pm): The original thread on the SwiftVets forum has been pulled. Make of that what you will; I don't know what to make of it. If anyone cares what my $0.02 adds up to, I doubt that last-minute revalations on Kerry's DD-214 will do much one way or the other. Those who've decided not to vote for him on the basis of his antiwar activities have already figured he got a less than honorable discharge. The moonbats would probably consider a less-than-honorable discharge a badge of honor. Nobody else cares that much. |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-10-29 3:43:23 PM |
| #15 Thanks, mmurray821. |
| Posted by: Jules 187 2004-10-29 3:35:28 PM |
| #14 And let's not forget to thank that bastion of integrity, Prez Carter, for his amnesty which upgraded the DD-214 of Skeery and his traitorous ilk to Honorable. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-10-29 3:34:33 PM |
| #13 If SECNAV is talking, and if its other than honorable, then Kerry is stomped. *IF* the newspapers and MSM decide to cover it at all. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-10-29 3:32:45 PM |
| #12 Oh.. Man!! Get the popcorn,,, Soda.. maybe some Knob Creek. The vultures are circlin' Yasser is on the mat... Kerry is about to go down... Wonder if this will start the nuclear option that the Kerry campaign says they have... |
| Posted by: TomAnon 2004-10-29 3:32:15 PM |
| #11 "Other than honorable" means the guy was booted out for failing in his duties, or by being an asshole. Nothing illegal (charges bring jail and a dishonerable discharge), but the military is saying he was not a good soldier and should be shuned from military life and loss of all military benifits. |
| Posted by: mmurray821 2004-10-29 3:31:09 PM |
| #10 Good teaser. But do records say "Unift for comand"? |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-10-29 3:27:10 PM |
| #9 I'm sure that CBS/NBC/ABC/CNN/BBC will be all over this...... Right after they are finished soddomizing that prisoner abuse dead horse. -- sometime in 2006 perhaps... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-10-29 3:26:18 PM |
| #8 This would explain the sealed records. |
| Posted by: Anon4021 2004-10-29 3:23:00 PM |
| #7 And here are the article links mentioned in the thread regards the Hanoi documents and what's breaking: WorldNetDaily NY Sun ChronWatch PolPundit There is no link I can see regards the "Other than honorable discharge" specifics, yet - as mentioned by the Chief. If Zell gets on the case - and gets whomever was the mystery Navy Secretary to confirm, it's all over, indeed. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-10-29 3:19:05 PM |
| #6 Seems premature. Let's wait for more facts + the 24 rule. The more serious the charges, the more proof required. That said, I do believe that Kerry got a less than honorable discharge. Why else does he hide his records and all the shenanigans with changing his discharge records? |
| Posted by: ed 2004-10-29 3:18:18 PM |
| #5 That was short lived: Content removed at the request of the author. Stay tuned for updates. Will re-open the topic when we have further info. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-10-29 3:18:01 PM |
| #4 For us non-military folks who don't want to just assume what it means, what exactly does it mean? What instances would the discharge "other than honorable" be used in? |
| Posted by: Jules 187 2004-10-29 3:17:54 PM |
| #3 Bush's October surprise? |
| Posted by: Tom 2004-10-29 3:16:13 PM |
| #2 Oh, that explains that sounds of screaming, wailing, and knashing of teeth I heard in the distance. (Or maybe it was the lamentations of their women.) The MSM are guaranteed to be in full panic mode over this. Dibs on the popcorn concession! :-D |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-10-29 3:14:05 PM |
| #1 Ka-BOOM Baby!!! |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-10-29 3:08:10 PM |