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Home Front: Politix
Top GOPers in 'Major Effort' to Uncover Kerry's Naval Discharge
2004-10-19
NewsMax: Top Republicans in Washington are trying to determine whether or not John Kerry received an honorable discharge from the Navy, the reporter who's taken the lead in probing Kerry's naval records said Sunday. "I've already received an indication from high-ranking Republican officials that, basically, there is a major effort going on in Washington to find proof" of the type of discharge Kerry received, New York Sun reporter Thomas Lipscomb told WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg. Last week, Lipscomb quoted a spokesman for Sen. John Warner, who was secretary of the Navy at the time, as saying his boss "has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."
Translation: "This thing is so radioactive I'm not getting anywhere near it!"
And Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade hasn't responded to Lipscomb's inquiries on the matter.
A document on Kerry's Web site says he was honorably discharged in 1978. But his actual separation from the service was in 1972.
We noticed
The Kerry document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." Notes Lipscomb: "This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers."
This fits with the rumors that Kerry received a less-than-honorable discharge. When Jimmy Peanut pardoned the Vietnam draft dodgers, Kerry (a up and coming democrat) had his discharge status changed.
Because so many Navy documents from that era have subsequently been destroyed, Lipscomb said, the only evidence of the circumstances of Kerry's 1972 separation would be in national security records.
But technically they're protected - up to a point. Lipscomb said there's always the possibility that someone would leak Kerry's records. "Remember what happened to Linda Tripp?" he reminded Malzberg. "She had a juvenile conviction that was supposed to be expunged from the records. ... But one of the Department of Defense Clinton employees proceeded to out her national security file."
Bush won't play that game, I'll bet quiet orders went down to seal those records double tight. Now, if one of the board members remembers......
Lipscomb says the jury is still out on Kerry's Navy discharge until further evidence emerges. "I'm kind of sitting here, hanging in the breeze, trying to sort this out - waiting for somebody to talk, some document to pop," he said.
This is why Kerry won't release his records, there has to be something really dirty in there.
Posted by:Steve

#12  Mrs. D-I understand John O'Neill has a copy, it makes reference to fitness to command and it should see the light of day, say October 30.

But will it have the impact that the release of the DUI did against Prez Bush by that Maine whack-job with the wierd hat?

People are so blazee about stuff now...
Posted by: BigEd   2004-10-19 3:45:00 PM  

#11  I would guess that "unfit for command" came from a fitness report, rather than being a reason discharge.

This may be two bombshells. One that his fitness report said, "unfit for command". And another that he was not given an honorable discharge, due to his consorting with the enemy and his attending talks to kill a sitting Senator.

You can be "unfit for command" and still be an officer who will not ever be given "command". I know of someone that happened to.
Posted by: 2b   2004-10-19 12:35:12 PM  

#10  CBS-Rather will have to authenticate the documents, though. That could take some time, given the 5 year claim on the TANG fraud. I think 2 weeks will hardly be sufficient for them to give their 24K solid gold imprimatur.
Posted by: .com   2004-10-19 12:34:25 PM  

#9  Oh, RN, if that is truly the origin of the book's title, this is going to be an amazing firework!
Posted by: Kalle (kafir forever)   2004-10-19 12:27:39 PM  

#8  How 'bout a cheesey discharge?
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-10-19 12:22:54 PM  

#7  RC..lol! I got it.
Posted by: 2b   2004-10-19 11:26:59 AM  

#6  I believe that's where the book title:
"Unfit for Command" originated.

Nice October surprise.
Posted by: RN   2004-10-19 11:15:55 AM  

#5  Relax. I understand John O'Neill has a copy, it makes reference to fitness to command and it should see the light of day, say October 30.
Posted by: Mrs. Davis   2004-10-19 11:13:30 AM  

#4  Can we stop discussing what kind of discharge Kerry had in the 70s? His medical history is of no interest to me.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-10-19 10:59:50 AM  

#3  My understanding was that a General Discharge received during Viet Nam under Carter was nearly automatically upgraded to an honorable if the serviceman applied for the upgrade. All other upgrades would have to be vetted by a board of some sort.

So, my thinking is that Kerry most likely received a general dischange then later had it upgraded to an honorable, however, having the Sec. of the Navy involved with it it is possible that Kerry's seperation may not even been a General Discharge.
Posted by: badanov   2004-10-19 10:38:42 AM  

#2  can an officer have a "bad conduct discharge"? I don't think they can.
Posted by: 2b   2004-10-19 10:29:50 AM  

#1  I correspond with someone who is a staffer for a U.S. Senator who has alluded to the fact there is something "negative" about Kerry that is TS and can't be discussed. But its there. I say he was discharged less than honorably because he met with the "enemy" during his service as an officer (regardless if it is active or inactive, still an officer of the USN). Maybe its not more than a General under Honorable but my bet it is a BCD but not a Dishonorable.
Posted by: Halloweenie   2004-10-19 10:26:12 AM  

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