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| CBS Guard docs traced to Kinko's in Abilene TX |
| 2004-09-16 |
| Run for your lives, LLL moonbats, the whole shithouse just went up in flames: Documents allegedly written by a deceased officer that raised questions about President Bush's service with the Texas Air National Guard bore markings showing they had been faxed to CBS News from a Kinko's copy shop in Abilene, Tex., according to another former Guard officer who was shown the records by the network. The markings provide one piece of evidence suggesting a source for the documents, whose authenticity has been hotly disputed since CBS aired them in a "60 Minutes" broadcast Sept. 8. The network has declined to name the person who provided them, saying the source was confidential, or to explain how the documents came to light after more than three decades. There is only one Kinko's in Abilene, and it is 21 miles from the Baird, Tex., home of retired Texas National Guard officer Bill Burkett, who has been named by several news outlets as a possible source for the documents. *snip sanitized rehash of Burkett's looney career. At this point, we only have the word of the retired Guard officer who was shown the docs just before the broadcast, but it should be simple to verify the transmission from Kinko's fax logs. See also: Rather now has doubts..... |
| Posted by:Atomic Conspiracy |
| #37 (Argh; I should have written: "...if it gave the appearance that those nasty rethuglicans are trying to suppress the truth again...") Anyway, I do think that there is one group who might both have a strong case in a lawsuit, and for whom a lawsuit might be a good idea: CBS's stockholders. Or maybe it would be a better idea if everyone just shorted the stock. |
| Posted by: Phil Fraering 2004-09-16 6:32:09 PM |
| #36 As I said earlier, I think lawsuits in general in this sort of case are a bad idea. Rather has lied, he's been caught, we were lucky he tried something really stupid this time, and he's badly damaged his credibility, CBS's credibility, and to a lesser extent, the credibility of other press organizations. Bush appears to be gaining in the polls throughout this whole situation. I doubt suing is necessary, and think it would not be helpful, if it gave the appearance of Those Nasty Rethuglicans Trying To Supress The Truth Again. CBS has made fools of themselves. We should let them continue to do so. |
| Posted by: Phil Fraering 2004-09-16 6:24:46 PM |
| #35 Anyone think of sending something to PO Boxes with a return recipt and seeing who picks up the mail? |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-16 5:00:24 PM |
| #34 In the sound bites I heard from Rather last night, Dan portrays the authenticity of the memos as still only "disputed" not wholly discreditted. I still think that a call to the post master to verify whether the PO box on the memos is valid is justified. If the PO Box doesn't exist or was not used by the Texas Guard, then the documents are demonstrably forged. Contacting the post master is an endrun that would be very difficult to block and would result in a decisive victory. |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2004-09-16 4:15:10 PM |
| #33 BigEd you need a new Rx for your glasses... |
| Posted by: Seafarious 2004-09-16 3:50:04 PM |
| #32 B-a-r You got it : PHONE RECORDS PHONE RECORDS PHONE RECORDS Schmooze the Kinko's manager, and mabye get copies |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-16 3:47:10 PM |
| #31 The estate CAN sue and for any number of torts. True, but the ability of the estate to do so is generally a statutory result (through a Survival of Actions law) and is in derogation of the common law, is state specific, and I cannot think of a case where the estate was permitted to sue for damages presently being done to the reputation of a now dead person (as distinguished from the reputation, say, of the personal representative of the estate). Said less technically, the dead cannot be defamed. HOWEVER, the family of this man probably can sue for a number of other torts, like: EXTREME AND OUTRAGEOUS CONDUCT — EMOTIONAL DISTRESS: Extreme and outrageous conduct is conduct that is so outrageous in character, and so extreme in degree, that a reasonable member of the community would regard the conduct as atrocious, going beyond all possible bounds of decency and utterly intolerable in a civilized community. Such outrageous conduct occurs when knowledge of all the facts by a reasonable member of the community would arouse that person’s resentment against the defendant, and lead that person to conclude that the conduct was extreme and outrageous. (Colorado Jury Instruction 23:2) |
| Posted by: cingold 2004-09-16 3:42:13 PM |
| #30 Phone records. Do they know when that "document" was faxed? All that has to be done is pull the Abilene Kinko's phone records to verify. A number on the record that points to a connection at CBS HQ would be "Rather" incriminating.... |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-16 2:35:31 PM |
| #29 Den Beste's knowledge of law is as complete as his knowledge of miliitary strategy. The estate CAN sue and for any number of torts. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-09-16 2:17:33 PM |
| #28 Defamation of character, however.... |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-09-16 2:15:27 PM |
| #27 Under US law, it is not possible to libel a dead person. |
| Posted by: Steven Den Beste 2004-09-16 2:03:28 PM |
| #26 LGF has an excerpt from KMC Live (news media?) who has talked to someone at Kinko's. They stated Burkett has a "standing account" there and has been in as recently as last week. It just gets more and more entertaining every day! |
| Posted by: Dar 2004-09-16 1:45:31 PM |
| #25 Kinko Abilene |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-16 11:49:48 AM |
| #24 All the best conspiracies have cut-outs, Shipman. It's de rigeur... |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-09-16 11:31:48 AM |
| #23 Been following this and loving every minute of it in between new classes. Check and mate, you leftist bastards. BTW, Michael Moore's going to be speaking in my area in a few weeks. I'm thinking of going with a few of my friends and asking him some nasty questions . . . send me any suggestions you might have, and I'd be happy to post a synopsis afterwards. |
| Posted by: The Doctor 2004-09-16 11:16:22 AM |
| #22 He's the Oswald for this thing What? Not you too? Please say it ain't so. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-09-16 10:36:28 AM |
| #21 Burkett, Burkett, you were playing way above your league. . . your hatred will consume you in more ways than one. |
| Posted by: 2B 2004-09-16 9:43:09 AM |
| #20 Who beter to hang it on than the village idiot. Maybe it was Rove. |
| Posted by: Mrs. Davis 2004-09-16 9:30:52 AM |
| #19 I think we have at least the patsy in Burkett. He's the Oswald for this thing. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-09-16 9:27:47 AM |
| #18 GK, no wonder the Left is so enamored with Islamonazis. Taqiyya and Rathers' credo are essentially the same thing. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-16 7:10:40 AM |
| #17 Thanx for the link SH. You can be an honest person and lie about any number of things. Dan Rather Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society. Ralph Waldo Emerson |
| Posted by: GK 2004-09-16 5:20:56 AM |
| #16 The Spectator has a good piece on Danny Boy titled: Mad Dan’s Noble Lie |
| Posted by: Super Hose 2004-09-16 4:14:56 AM |
| #15 I am all for sending some folks out to his ranch if this bozo is the source. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-16 2:46:25 AM |
| #14 Long Hair Republican, next time you will be saying he has done more for America than Ronald Reagan (who must be part of those last ten presidents) and more for the GOP than Abraham Lincoln. |
| Posted by: JFM 2004-09-16 1:44:22 AM |
| #13 Lex, the obvious motive was to put Kerry in the White House. Beyond that, there is no solid connection. The American Spectator said that an inside source at the DNC had claimed that the DNC had the docs in hand for several weeks wondering what to do about them, then passed them along to CBS. That could still turn out to be the case, since we don't know that they were faxed directly to CBS from Kinko's. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 1:39:45 AM |
| #12 For 9 months now our President has been beaten to death with bullshit, Enviro, School, Health care (God help us), National Guard, Hitler, Liar, Cheater,....... This man has done more for our country than the last 10 presidents. Including FDR. My lord warned me of such creatures. I say LOCK&LOAD!! Sheethead and Commie Pinko season started early!! |
| Posted by: Long Hair Republican 2004-09-16 1:36:15 AM |
| #11 Interesting to note his 28 years of service. ROPMA dictates an O-5 officer Mandatory Separation Date as the first day of the month after the month in which the officer completes 28 years of commissioned |
| Posted by: anymouse 2004-09-16 1:33:30 AM |
| #10 There is one discrepancy, CBS claimed that they were sitting on it for some weeks. May have been a device to add more "credibility". If Burkett as a source of forgeries is confirmed with the timeline that the Kinko trail seems to suggest, then CBS ought to change its name to C-BS, mandatory, or the FCC license should be revoked. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-16 1:33:12 AM |
| #9 Is there a Kerry connection? |
| Posted by: lex 2004-09-16 1:32:13 AM |
| #8 One addition, Burkett has an active "standing account" at that Kinos and the clerk contacted there remembers him being in Tuesday of last week. Starting to see the smoke, just waiting for enough of it to clear to see the barrel of the gun. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-09-16 1:14:57 AM |
| #7 LTC Killian's will have to wait in line. This is a deliberate attempt to influence a federal election. Now granted no one seems to pay much attention to election laws in this country, but whoever put this one together needs to be put away and for a lot longer than Martha Stewart. |
| Posted by: Douglas De Bono 2004-09-16 1:14:50 AM |
| #6 Actually if they turn out ot be "genuine" then Burkett is chargeable under several violations of privacy laws and the USAF Regualtions regarding retention of personal files past the departure of the AF Person subject of those files. In other words, if they were bad docs, Burket is hosed for fabricating them and perpetrating a libelous fraud. If they are genuine then he violated a lot of laws and UASF regs, and will come under severe penalty. Either way it goes, if he is the one, then he is screwed. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-09-16 1:13:19 AM |
| #5 Well put. And it's one helluva nice 'Welcome Home' for those who made it back. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-09-16 1:03:40 AM |
| #4 Ya' know, I never really expected, or dared to hope, that we would have a "Hitler suicide" moment in the struggle against the authoritarian-left media, but this could well be it. It isn't just the MSM that is going down over this, it is the entire left-activist cultural empire. Their 40 year reign of cultural terror is coming to a dramatic and supremely satisfying end. I swore 30 years ago that I would live to see the treasonous media bastards pay for their betrayal. Praise Heaven and the blogosphere, it has come to pass. The dead of Tet and An Loc and Khe Sanh and a thousand other places are avenged and they can rest in peace. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 12:57:11 AM |
| #3 Since deliberate fraud is culpable, the family would seem to be able to recover for the mental anguish and inconvenience caused by having to deal with these charges. There is still the question of whether the source could be charged with forging a military document, a criminal offense. That these were putatively intended for Killian's personal files may not be a defense since they were supposedly made on military time and are relevant to military business, including, but not limited to, the selection of the Commander in Chief. |
| Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy 2004-09-16 12:44:29 AM |
| #2 There is also the Kinko's security camera (if they have one). Smile Mr Burkett. How do you like that orange jumpsuit? |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-16 12:42:52 AM |
| #1 *sound of impact* Question for our members versed in such things: Can LTC Killian's family sue or charge Burkett if it is indeed determined that he made this stuff up? Mike |
| Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2004-09-16 12:36:15 AM |