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| Turkish accession could spell end of EU, says commissioner | |||
| 2004-09-08 | |||
A European commissioner has warned that the European Union may implode if Turkey is allowed to join. Frits Bolkestein, the internal market commissioner, expressed concern that if Ankara was admitted to the EU, the defeat of Turks in Vienna more than 300 years ago could turn out to have been in vain.
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| Posted by:Steve White |
| #50 As the matter stands the EU constitution is not likely to pass. Probably the French will vote against it, too, and the Germans are claiming their right to a referendum (up to now not possible because of constitutional reasons). Right now the EU is not able to speak with one, majoritarian political voice. 25 states are simply too much for that. Let's give it another ten years. We definitely need some consolidation time. The EU is no folly, it's present state is highly debatable. It needs a good deal of more democracy before it can go any further. Turkey in the EU is a no starter. Everybody sees the elephant in the room here. |
| Posted by: True German Ally 2004-09-09 1:50:32 AM |
| #49 Aris, I base my thinking on the EU on the concept of sovereignity, because none of the EU members have signed that AWFUL Constitution and surrendered their rights as sovereign nations--Thank God! (Horrors for you!). France, Germany, Belgium and you and any other sheeple in the EU who act either as masters or their slaves already live in this Socialist mindset and superstate. Right thinking 'Muricans hope and pray that the smarter countries like Britain, Poland and Italy will reject that EU Constitution and forget there ever was such a folly as the EU. Nationalism=Good. EU=Soviet Union Lite+Evil. Hope that helps. |
| Posted by: GreatestJeneration 2004-09-09 1:40:37 AM |
| #48 I criticize stupidity and wanton ignorance, yes, which is far better than letting it go uncriticized. Is that considered bad form where you come from? Kinda like *which* nasty comment of yours? There've been a number. But the main difference between us is that you tend to use your nasty personal comments when the other person is right and you are seeking an escape. I use them when they piss me off for being arrogantly stupid. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-09-08 10:38:20 PM |
| #47 now that was just a nasty comment, kinda like mine, huh, Aris? Poland and Italy are indeed full members, but as Jen said, "When I think".... So now you criticize thoughts. Thought crimes, coming to the EU nearest to you! ;-) |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-08 9:22:28 PM |
| #46 When you think EU you deliberately don't think about EU but rather about whatever part of Europe it is that you hate. So that ofcourse makes the EU hateful to you. Poland is a full member of the EU -- deal with it. And Italy is not "one foot in, the other out", she's inside the EU with not only both feet but its whole body. You parade your biased ignorance as if it was a medal. |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-09-08 8:28:23 PM |
| #45 Poland? Nope. Italy? One foot in, the other out. When I think EU, I think France, Germany, Belgium and you, Katsaris, their biggest apologist. |
| Posted by: GreatestJeneration 2004-09-08 6:03:35 PM |
| #44 "(Believe it or not, I don't think of the UK as being in the EUeeewwww!)" What about Poland and Italy? Do you think of Poland and Italy as being in the EU? |
| Posted by: Aris Katsaris 2004-09-08 5:59:38 PM |
| #43 Why are you folks spending all this time messing around with "Murat"? It's not even the original Murat troll. |
| Posted by: Classical_Liberal 2004-09-08 5:54:27 PM |
| #42 |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 4:10:46 PM |
| #41 SHOOT : Can't find a sill of the "Village Idiot's Convention" from "Love & Death", the 1975 Woody Allen movie. Visualize the scene. Visualize that they are all named Murat. |
| Posted by: BigEd 2004-09-08 4:07:40 PM |
| #40 but why would anyone want to impersonate him? you clone the village idiot and you'll get another idiot. two statements I just can't argue with. |
| Posted by: B 2004-09-08 3:43:25 PM |
| #39 But we are... and don't we know it. Thanks Jen - wouldn't want a scrap with yer.. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 3:42:29 PM |
| #38 Howard, I would NEVER want harm to come to Britain or her citizens! (Believe it or not, I don't think of the UK as being in the EUeeewwww!) |
| Posted by: GreatestJeneration 2004-09-08 3:39:36 PM |
| #37 So there. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 3:29:36 PM |
| #36 Anything that would bring about the end of the EUewwww is OK by me--let the Turks come on in Jen, I sincerely hope you're not advocating the bombing of the UK, or the flooding of the UK with Turkish migrants? (I eat at a Turkish cafe every day and generally think they're A-OK but I do think unrestricted immigration, as would happen under current EU rules, isn't in the UK's best interests.) |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 1:22:40 PM |
| #35 At the risk of sounding a philistine - artist/title? - Howard UK Saxon toured with Iron Maiden on the Piece of Mind tour. I liked them before that, but during the concert the hyper-repetition of the songs really got to me. They were well known for their hatred of Duran Duran who was huge at the time. Now currently residing in the where are they now file... |
| Posted by: RJ Schwarz 2004-09-08 1:00:47 PM |
| #34 No offence intended to the 'original', one-and-only, Murat, but why would anyone want to impersonate him? He always was something of a nut; he's just got nuttier... I think he might've fallen in with a bad crowd. Forgotten who his real friends are. Is that right, Murat? You've fallen in with a bad crowd? Poor soul. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-09-08 12:34:38 PM |
| #33 one, two, who cares....you clone the village idiot and you'll get another idiot. A loser in the full sense of the word |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-09-08 11:43:09 AM |
| #32 RC..maybe. But I've always secretly believed that the real Murat stopped posting shortly after the Turkish bombs that blew up in frot of the banks. |
| Posted by: B 2004-09-08 11:22:42 AM |
| #31 I'm beginning to reconsider the "two Murats" theory. I think they're the same person, but he's so hopped-up on jihad he's letting his stupidity show. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-09-08 11:15:11 AM |
| #30 I don't see this Murat going quietly with a bottle of poison. I see him misconnecting the blue wire and taking his friends with him. I liked the other Murat better. He was the A team. This Murat's on the B team. |
| Posted by: B 2004-09-08 11:07:24 AM |
| #29 Seems Murat has a death wish! |
| Posted by: RN 2004-09-08 11:05:10 AM |
| #28 Um, guys, Murat just threatened one of the regulars: Don't worry Howard, you won't experience it anyway, it'll be a pleasure for me to shoot your WASP (White Anglosakson Protestant) arse to hell. Ban his ass. |
| Posted by: Robert Crawford 2004-09-08 11:03:18 AM |
| #27 lex: Forget about Turkey, they've proven that they are not to be trusted. Oh sure, they'll take our money, but don't ever expect them to actually contribute. As long as the islamist party runs the show, they are useless. |
| Posted by: Rex Mundi 2004-09-08 10:56:15 AM |
| #26 If treated right, Turkey can help us greatly vs Iran. Turkey's more important to us than France and Germany combined. Help Turkey get into the EU and foster the nascent Turkey-Israel-India alliance. Add Russia to the mix and you've got a real and viable replacement for NATO. |
| Posted by: lex 2004-09-08 10:09:10 AM |
| #25 Why is Washington producing so much lies? Haahaha, Washington couldn't hold a candle to your bullshit, pal. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-09-08 10:07:42 AM |
| #24 You need to indulge in hallucinations, else your parallel universe bubble may burst and you would be hurled crashing into the actual reality. You would not be able to survive. ROTFLMFAO! |
| Posted by: Steve from Relto 2004-09-08 9:55:31 AM |
| #23 Turkey is no more a US ally than Pakistan is. If we didn't float over boatloads of greenbacks, they would have nothing to do with us. Just like whores. The US is recommending Turkey's admittance even because of Ankara's treacherous behavior just to put France and Germany's panties in a bunch. We should really stir things up by also recommending a free Kurdish state. Gotta give a little to get a little so they say. |
| Posted by: JerseyMike 2004-09-08 7:55:27 AM |
| #22 GJ, the Turks are already in. A sizable bunch of'em. But I don't think they are the speahead of EUeewww doom. It's the other mooslimes, in Fwance, but also in UK, that are probably a carrier of troublez. You probably don't need any external factor to facilitate the end of EUnuchistan. They can manage themselves pretty well in that direction. Patience. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 7:03:36 AM |
| #21 Anything that would bring about the end of the EUewwww is OK by me--let the Turks come on in! |
| Posted by: GreatestJeneration 2004-09-08 6:55:18 AM |
| #20 Murat, the lie in the URL you posted was not produced by Washington. Just by some conspiracy theorist. This has been debunked number of times. See Snopes. Oh, sorry, I forgotten, you are not interested in truth. You need to indulge in hallucinations, else your parallel universe bubble may burst and you would be hurled crashing into the actual reality. You would not be able to survive. That image I posted reflect exactly what would ensue. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 5:21:54 AM |
| #19 Why is Washington producing so much lies? In search of truth: http://pixla.px.cz/pentagon.swf |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-08 5:10:55 AM |
| #18 Heh heh... veeery naughty, Z. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 5:00:10 AM |
| #17 WARNING!!! This is for Murat's eyes only: Every day in the life of Murat |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 4:37:16 AM |
| #16 Howard, Jacques-Louis David: The Death of M |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 4:34:31 AM |
#15  The confessions of a clown: Fallujah, Ramadi, Bakuba and Samarra are in control of the Sunnite resistance, Najaf and Sadr city are still in control of the radical Shia leader Muqtada al-Sadr Bwahahaha the mighty American army! |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-08 4:32:47 AM |
| #14 At the risk of sounding a philistine - artist/title? |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 4:25:46 AM |
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| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-08 4:23:44 AM |
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| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 4:20:09 AM |
| #11 ...and that's 'Saxon' - like the heavy-metal band of old. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 4:04:09 AM |
| #10 Quite. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 4:03:23 AM |
| #9 If the Turks join the EU I'm going to buy some serious weaponry and live in armed compound in the north. Like the Turks - don't (apart from Murat's Islamofascist ilk) mind them at all - but we will be flooded. Don't worry Howard, you won't experience it anyway, it'll be a pleasure for me to shoot your WASP (White Anglosakson Protestant) arse to hell. |
| Posted by: Murat 2004-09-08 3:50:04 AM |
| #8 If the Turks join the EU I'm going to buy some serious weaponry and live in armed compound in the north. Like the Turks - don't (apart from Murat's Islamofascist ilk) mind them at all - but we will be flooded. Can't happen, won't happen - not with our current benefits system anyway. Find other means to keep them on side in the WoT - but not free migration - we'd be being boomed before you knew it. |
| Posted by: Howard UK 2004-09-08 3:35:48 AM |
| #7 It's funny how the self-appointed morally superior Europhiles go quiet and shuffle their feet when it come to letting Turkey join the club. Expecially when their favourite tactic when trying to shout down Eurosceptics in debate is to label their opponents 'racists' / 'xenophobes' / 'little Englanders' (in the UK, at least). The Brussels visionaries want a whites-only empire, or fear all will inevitably fail. What confidence they must have in their own project... |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-09-08 3:04:59 AM |
| #6 They deny Turkey. Turkey becomes a major trading partner with the US and the EU sucks goat balls. That is what will happen. |
| Posted by: Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-08 3:03:17 AM |
| #5 But the US, which sees Turkey as an ally in its "war on terror", has been pressing the EU to allow earlier entry, and the Turkish government has been pushing through reforms of its legal system, including the abolition of the death penalty Now there is a "says who" statement if I ever saw one! This whole article can best be summed up as... snicker! or maybe.... ROTFL!! hahahahhahahahaaaa.... sniff..sniff...too funny! |
| Posted by: B 2004-09-08 2:25:40 AM |
| #4 EUnuchistan will implode in any case. It is a matter of time. The reproduction time bomb is ticking counterclockwise. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-09-08 1:42:35 AM |
#3 European Union may implodeAnd this would be a problem why, exactly....? |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-09-08 1:27:28 AM |
| #2 I hope the Frenh veto this and the Germans then give the knife in the Turks back a solid and vicious twist. It will be the end of the EU, and Turkey gets its comeuppance for their treacherous behavior. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-09-08 1:17:02 AM |
| #1 "A European commissioner has warned that the European Union may implode if Turkey is allowed to join" Not bug. Feature. |
| Posted by: Baltic Blog 2004-09-08 12:59:27 AM |