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| Rock-throwing kids stir up 120,000 bees | ||
| 2004-08-14 | ||
Kids throwing rocks have stirred up more trouble than they bargained for when they dislodged a swarm of bees from an enormous hive built in the wall of a southern California apartment building. Santa Ana fire captain Steve Horner says an estimated 120,000 bees held residents of the apartment building and nearby homes hostage in Santa Ana after the children pelted their 227 kilogram hive with rocks. Captain Horner says several people, including firefighters, news reporters and a TV cameraman, reported being stung and at least two people were taken to a hospital with multiple stings.
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| Posted by:Steve White |
| #59 Hear, hear, Oldspook. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-08-14 10:25:18 PM |
| #58 Islam may not be a faield religion, but Arab Society is most definitely a failed society. It cannot cope with modern economy, modern science, modern theology. Arab Culture has locked itself in the 1200's in order to preserve the power structure set up by evil politicians who have disguised themselves as Imams. And they locked it in, and prevent any attempts at religious reformation. Thats why Arab Society is a failed society - and why Arabs have failed Islam, and have been failed by Islam in the form it is in. |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2004-08-14 8:57:52 PM |
| #57 gentle blow it out your ass |
| Posted by: smokeysinse 2004-08-14 7:04:05 PM |
| #56 gentle - please stop with these ridiculus comparisons...face it islam is a failed religion and the arabs are a failed society.... |
| Posted by: Dan 2004-08-14 4:28:52 PM |
| #55 gentle com e back! ima have nother present for you! :) |
| Posted by: muck4doo 2004-08-14 1:36:28 PM |
| #54 I've done it! I've done it! Bwahhhhhhhhaaaaaa! |
| Posted by: Turing 2004-08-14 1:12:24 PM |
| #53 and our society's dumbing down of females, huh? The clear majority of college students in "our society" are female. If you wanna believe in the ROPma to satisfy some need of yours, so be it. I call a liar a liar |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 12:16:40 PM |
| #52 that'd be Richard to you, sir |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 12:12:52 PM |
| #51 well jesus frank what do you expect from a culture that actively represses it's females to such a great extent that it makes our own society's dumbing down of the females non-existant by comparison?? but hey by all means frank! lets make fun of the repressed & polite arab girl it's soooo fun!!! yay! I'm 4! dick. |
| Posted by: Dcreeper 2004-08-14 12:09:31 PM |
| #50 IMNSHO if Gentle is intelligent and well-educated for her age and culture, it says little good about both. She's a naive apologist and spinner of "religion of peace" BS at best. She doesn't have the potty mouth of Antiwar, who has been increasingly unhinged, but the views she spouts sounds more like a moon-eyed Evergreen State WA underclass student than a educated defender of Islam and Arab culture as it really exists |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 11:37:21 AM |
| #49 That's not 'Nah' to you, ed, obviously. It's 'Nah' to the antiwar slur. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-08-14 11:22:25 AM |
| #48 Nah. She's much more lucid than antiwar (to say nothing of more polite). Also, she's never felt the urge to randomly enumerate her library list, AFAIK. Gentle ain't anti |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-08-14 11:19:30 AM |
| #47 I think Gentle is a young Wahabi university age girl (18-20?) living somewhere in the UAE. She is intelligent and well educated for her age. She is defending her beliefs and I do not consider her a troll. So instead of attacking her as a troll, I would like to see more exchanges to broaden her scope of inquiry. I would like her to ask questions about herself and the wider world. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-08-14 11:16:07 AM |
| #46 very close relative if not actually so.... |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 11:06:12 AM |
| #45 is "Gentle" our old troll Antiwar? |
| Posted by: Oldspook 2004-08-14 11:04:55 AM |
| #44 "I'm a king bee baby, buzzin' around your hive.......uh buzz-buzz, buzz-buzz........" |
| Posted by: Jarhead 2004-08-14 11:02:00 AM |
| #43 Gentle, I was more interested in your religous view of mutations. Does Allah create mutations or is it a random breaking/substitution of the DNA base pairs? If Allah doesn't control it, at what level does Allah exert control? Does Allah control anything? Can you give examples of Allah's control? What does Islam say about humans engineering the very foundations of life? When humans can change life anytime they wish, does that invalidate the belief in predestination? So does Islam allow genetic and bio engineering, or is that field of knowledge forbidden? Genetically modified organisms often breed true. For instance insulin and growth hormone are manufactured in modified bacteria. Farm animals, goats and sheep, have been modified to produce drugs in milk. Pig's immune systems have been modified so that their organs can be transplanted into humans without rejection. Gentle, what if you or your husband needed a heart or liver transplant and the only way to live is to transplant modified pig organs, would you do it? Would your mullahs allow this or would they let you die? If your child needed the same transplant, would you allow it or would your let your child die? If you would allow it, what does the Koran say about joining with an unclean animal? |
| Posted by: ed 2004-08-14 10:42:59 AM |
| #42 Barb, as they say, you rock! Always. Thus spake Zarathustra. |
| Posted by: Zarathustra 2004-08-14 10:23:21 AM |
| #41 A women may NOT be married against her will. NEVER, EVER, EVER. It is one of the rules of the marrige contract. If she is forced to say "Yes", the marrige is invalid. If a women is raped it is not her fault, even without any witnesses. A dry article about forced marriage by Muslim immigrants in Europe: Forced Marriages in Europe This nightmare started in 1990s, when young girls from Muslim immigrant families in Europe reached their early teenage years and were considered mature and marriageable by their parents. Teenage girls from Turkish immigrant families are especially under intense pressure. According to statistics provided by women groups in France and Britain, in 1990s, 43% of girls from Turkish families, and 36% of girls from South Asian families in Britain, have been involved in forced marriages. ... Early marriage is another aspect of forced marriages. Girls, 15 or younger, undergo forced marriages, are considered as part - times wives, continue to live with their parents and go to school, living with their dark and heavy secret. A more emotional article about honor killing of raped girls: Mother kills raped daughter to restore 'honor' ABU QASH, West Bank — Raped by her brothers and impregnated, Rofayda Qaoud refused to commit suicide, her mother recalls, even after she bought the 17-year-old a razor with which to slit her wrists. So Amira Abu Hanhan Qaoud says she did what she believes any good Palestinian parent would: restored her family's "honor" through murder. Armed with a plastic bag, razor and wooden stick, Qaoud entered her sleeping daughter's room last Jan. 27. "Tonight you die, Rofayda," she told the girl, before wrapping the bag tightly around her head. Next, Qaoud sliced Rofayda's wrists, ignoring her muffled pleas of "No, mother, no!" After her daughter went limp, Qaoud struck her in the head with the stick. more at link |
| Posted by: ed 2004-08-14 10:07:40 AM |
#40 #15 says:If you think that you were once a mokey thats your businessI'm guessing "mokey" is supposed to be "monkey." Based on that, evolution doesn't say that people descended from monkeys, dumbass. It says we all evolved on separate tracks from previously common species. Humans and primates have many characteristics in common, but Homo sapiens isn't a more-evolved monkey. There were several species of proto-humans and humans before Homo sapiens (of which you theoretically are one) came out the winner. Your lack of basic scientific education is appalling, but not surprising, considering your supposed religion and location. But since ignorance is supposedly bliss, I guess you'll be happy to die stupid. |
| Posted by: Barbara Skolaut 2004-08-14 9:53:50 AM |
| #39 I am curious what the Muttawa do since 1.5 years ago, 15 Saudi girls were sent back into a school fire by the Muttawa because they were not properly covered. I don't think the girls asked the Muttawa if they were modest or asked to be sent back into the fire to die. Or where young mothers are beaten for showing a lttte ankle, arm, or hair while carrying their baby. Did they give permission for the Muttawa to beat them? Or the case of an Indian Christian who has been in jail and tortured for the past few months because he was not at prayer (Salah). Is that a legitimate way to convert a Christian to Islam? Here are a few Muttawa follies when encountering westerners, from the Religious Policeman: A Canadian expat was walking with his wife in one of the shopping malls. The wife was pregnant, and carrying a small toddler in one arm. As a result of holding the toddler, her robe (Abaya) was lifted up at the side, revealing 3" of leg. A muttawa came up and remonstrated, and hit her on the bare ankle with his stick to make his point. The Canadian gentleman flattened him, breaking his jaw and knocking out several teeth in the process. The Canadian Embassy were involved. It was conceded that the Muttawa had overstepped his authority, but the family had to return to Canada. ************************************************** The wife of the Commander of the US base south of Riyadh, was walking in the souk in central Riyadh. A pair of Marine "minders", in plain clothes, were walking some yards behind. A muttawa moved across to start to remonstrate with her. He suddenly found himself enveloped by one Marine, as the other led the lady back to their car. The muttawa was upended and thrown onto his back, severely winding him. He's probably still trying to figure out what happened. |
| Posted by: ed 2004-08-14 9:52:47 AM |
| #38 At that time they did get married at that age. Besides the fact that there was a reason. She was to be tought so as to be able to answer what poeple might have after the prophets death. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 9:37:07 AM |
| #37 I'm done with this thread...you can babble on if you please...ta ta |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 9:35:32 AM |
| #36 yep - rationalizing an abhorrent practice by saying it doesn't usually happen at the age Mo took his |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 9:34:37 AM |
| #35 She could be engaged at that age, yes. But is not to be married till all I have stated above happens. Do the words about 21 years mean anything to you? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 9:32:59 AM |
| #34 so..... say 9, 10 yrs old, huh? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 9:30:46 AM |
| #33 Frank: Inbreeding is not healthy, we all know that. A girl is eligible to marry when she is ready! NOT before she has had her period + understands the full responsibility of marrige. Nowadays the age is about 21, I should say. A women may NOT be married against her will. NEVER, EVER, EVER. It is one of the rules of the marrige contract. If she is forced to say "Yes", the marrige is invalid. If a women is raped it is not her fault, even without any witnesses. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 9:29:29 AM |
| #32 ed: 1-The Muttawa talks to any women who asks him, but does not offer his opinion without being asked. 2- I do not think it is right that Humans should experiment to create new species. Besides, God has taken care of that, because such "species" are not really so, as they can't breed. Genetic mutations are caused the something something when the mitosis it splitting up, or some such thing. I can't really remember, plus I studied in Arabic, so it is hard to translate. I believe that the stage would be called "trarmition" or "transport" in English. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 9:22:27 AM |
| #31 what about inbreeding? Does that help the master race? At what age should a girl be eligible to marry? Should she have a say in whom she marries? If a women is raped and there are less than 4 witnesses - was it her fault? So many questions, so few answers, but I'll wait...... *crickets chirping* |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 9:16:13 AM |
| #30 Gentle, I believe you said you were Wahab. Can you explain what the Muttawa do, especially with respect to women's dress and manners? Also what is your opinion on genetic engineering, modifying or creating new species? Is that the province of Allah only? What causes genetic mutations? |
| Posted by: ed 2004-08-14 9:13:28 AM |
| #29 Women do not have to cover thier faces, they may do so if they want to. As for Hijab A woman should wear it, but should never be forced into wearing it. And please watch your mouth. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:59:25 AM |
| #28 Note that Saudis have been throwing rocks with no repercussions for some time nnow. That's over. When the shit hits the fan at home, you won't mind, cuz, see? Gentle understands |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:50:28 AM |
| #27 lol - wrong spelling, dimwit. See? You don't troll here often enough. That was the tag one of your fellow trolls used. |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:48:47 AM |
| #26 Thank you,Gentle. Your own point(about people minding thier own buisness)reaffirms our right to kill terrorists and thier supporters were ever we find them.After all those people in the Twin Towers and Pentagon were just minding thier own buisness. |
| Posted by: Raptor 2004-08-14 8:48:14 AM |
| #25 Salahudin? The leader who banished the crusades from Palastine? I consider that a great honor, and will take it as a compliment. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:46:19 AM |
| #24 Gentle, You may not wear a burka now but come the Caliphate... |
| Posted by: Osama bin Laden 2004-08-14 8:45:54 AM |
| #23 no burka? no hijab? slut! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:45:41 AM |
| #22 Well... given that there's overwhelming scientific evidence to back Darwinian theory up, and that the Koran's just a fairy tale, I'm happy to be buy the monkey explanation. You've only got to look at some people to see the proof. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-08-14 8:44:15 AM |
| #21 You couldn't possibly offend me, Gentle. I'd have to take your inane prattle seriously before that could happen...I consider you the same as I do "Salhuddin", "Antiwar", et al: a toy to play with and lies to expose.....not to be offensive, of course :-) |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:44:11 AM |
| #20 I don't wear a Burka! Thats a very old tradition. Do you guys still wear white wigs? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:42:27 AM |
| #19 I apologise. I sound offensive, though I never meant it. I'm just surprised. I believe in evolution, but not quite the way Darwin explained. I mean come on! |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:40:57 AM |
| #18 The comparison of Iraqis to angry bees fits well except for one thing: they don't have an air force, so how are they going to take off and sting anyone? |
| Posted by: Bryan 2004-08-14 8:39:46 AM |
| #17 Back in the burka, monkey woman! |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:39:06 AM |
| #16 i mean that Humans were once on all fours. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:37:29 AM |
| #15 I believe in gravity. If you think that you were once a mokey thats your business. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:36:55 AM |
| #14 Of course I put it very well. See, we bees can express our opinions after all, when we are given a chance. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:34:21 AM |
| #13 I'm so freaking happy I could just bust....believe in evolution? gravity? Caliphate? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:33:05 AM |
| #12 We don't believe Darwin's thoery, nor that whoever bombed the towers was a good person. Happy? |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:30:13 AM |
| #11 Ooh, Jinx!, Frank! |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-08-14 8:29:49 AM |
| #10 I don't think there's any evidence the boys were after honey. They were just stupidly stirring up trouble for themselves and others. That's happened before when people aim missiles at buildings. The bees were living safly alone , minding their own business , when there comes a bunch of boys who, for no apparent reason, start throwing rocks at them. Do you find it strange that they should defend themselves? You do put it very well, Gentle. |
| Posted by: Bulldog 2004-08-14 8:28:33 AM |
| #9 kinda like the western world, should've left well enough alone, but nooooooo ...Islamic Darwin's law |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-08-14 8:27:31 AM |
| #8 Did the beas really do all that? Wow. Strange beas you have! |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:26:20 AM |
| #7 Just minding their own business. Putting people through plastic shreaders, clamping them in iron maidens, gassing them with toxic chemicals, you know, just minding their own business. |
| Posted by: Deacon Blues 2004-08-14 8:19:56 AM |
| #6 Great comment John, I couldn't have said it better. Now think : The bees were living safly alone , minding their own business , when there comes a bunch of boys who, for no apparent reason, start throwing rocks at them. Do you find it strange that they should defend themselves? It does not matter to them whether the enemy is after the honey, or should I say oil?, or are harming them just for the fun of it. Yeah, I really couldn't have put it better myself. |
| Posted by: Gentle 2004-08-14 8:02:56 AM |
| #5 Islamist Bees trying to tear apart out civilization. Why do they hate us? M4D? |
| Posted by: john 2004-08-14 7:44:33 AM |
| #4 Based on the behavior, I wouldn't think so. Supposedly they would have swarmed anyone nearby if it'd been the Africanized bees. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2004-08-14 2:39:53 AM |
| #3 Any possibility it could've been a hive of Africanized bees? Southern CA is in their range. |
| Posted by: Bomb-a-rama 2004-08-14 2:36:51 AM |
| #2 The universe has a very simple rule, which cannot be changed with all the liberal, pacifist dogsh*t. Stupidity kills. |
| Posted by: Silentbrick 2004-08-14 1:35:32 AM |
| #1 Better send the exterminators over to an Najaf after they are through with the California apartment building. There is a large swarm of hornets infesting the Ali Ali Oxen Free Free Free Mosque over there. |
| Posted by: Alaska Paul 2004-08-14 1:26:30 AM |