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Britain
Shake-up in Special Boat Service over claims it 'panicked and fled' in Iraq
2004-07-26
The Special Boat Service faces substantial restructuring after criticism of its performance in Iraq, with one senior SAS soldier refusing to work with the unit again because its members were "unprofessional". The Army has transferred a number of instructors from the SAS headquarters in Hereford to the SBS to improve its fighting skills and abilities at operating behind enemy lines. While the SBS is expert at operations at sea or close to the shore, there have been mutterings that it runs into problems in land patrols.

For the past decade sailors and marines wishing to enter the elite unit have had to pass the tough Special Air Service selection course but do not go on to the even more challenging "continuation" course in the jungle. Instead they become highly trained in covert insertion by water, securing beachheads and protecting oil rigs and in specialised counter-terrorism to protect shipping. Both units come under the control of the Director of Special Forces, an Army brigadier, with the SBS being deployed alongside its SAS colleagues on land since the mid-1990s. This, according to several SAS sources, has led to problems that culminated in a debacle last April during the Iraq war in which the Iraqi Republican Guard compromised an SBS patrol [Rantburg Link].

"For the first time, they came under effective enemy fire," said a military source. "People were not impressed with their reactions. They were not at all impressed by them leaving behind their Land Rovers and kit." According to one report, the soldiers failed to return fire and abandoned expensive equipment including their prized "Pinky" Land Rovers which were captured by the Iraqis and gleefully paraded on Arab television, much to the disgust of the SAS. Two of the 10-man patrol had to march into Syria after missing a pick-up by Chinook helicopter at the emergency rendezvous. "They cocked it up, panicked and did a runner," said an SAS man. "In that situation you are supposed to do a tactical withdrawal." A senior NCO in the SAS was so unimpressed by his SBS colleagues that he has refused to serve with them in future operations because of their alleged lack of professionalism.
We heard about this and discounted the story as a rumor.

The comments were made earlier this year at the annual special forces debrief when all the troops make suggestions or criticisms of performances on operations. "He stood up and said we will never work with these people again - they are totally unprofessional," said a former SAS soldier who served for nine years in the regiment. "When an SBS representative gave their version of events in Iraq, it was interpreted as a crock of s***." Senior military planners have now ordered a shake-up of the SBS. An Army source said: "They are going to be 'infiltrated' by Hereford to brush up on their skills, especially in close-quarter combat. "They are far too specialised. They are great at infiltrating from water on to land but after that it gets a bit problematic."

Rivalry between the regiments developed when the SAS believed that the SBS, nicknamed the Shaky Boats, were intruding on its remit. It is thought that the SBS has been lobbying to be granted a "30km insertion capability" that would give it access to highly sophisticated equipment. It was also said to be after the SAS's jealously guarded "team tasks" in which they go abroad to train foreign special forces. A former SAS soldier said: "They are expert at water ops but there is a substantial difference between land soldiering and swimming. We don't class them as soldiers, more as sailors. The SBS would hit the beach and secure it so we could go through to the business on land. "They are like a fish out of water on land, if you'll excuse the pun. It's a different mentality. We carry everything everywhere we go; all they do is swim." It is also believed that the SBS lacks the "close-quarter combat" experience of the SAS because it has had little experience of combat operations over the past decade. "A lot of the regiment has seen a lot of action, with the SAS or with their own battalions, but this is sometimes not the case with the Shakies," said the SAS soldier. It has been discussed that the regiments should be amalgamated but this has been vigorously opposed by both sides.
Posted by:Bulldog

#15  anyone know John Arthy -Sgt- in 22. died during the falklands war
Posted by: Anonymous6371   2004-09-09 2:31:36 AM  

#14  'Pinkies' emerged as the very first SAS vehicles used also by the LRDG (Long Range Desert Group) back in WWII. Though they weren't Land Rovers back then, of course. Initially, they were driven by the LRDG to rendezvous with and collect the SAS, who had parachuted in to attack German air bases at night. The tactic quickly changed to using the 'pinkies' as delivery, attack and escape vehicles - hence the A (for 'Air') of the SAS's name becoming redundant very early on. The pink colour was chosen to camouflage the vehicles against the North African desert. I think the 'pinkies' have sentimental and symbolic value as much as practical value - they are the definitive SAS vehicle, and to have the SBS borrow and then surrender one of them is just about the worst thing they could do...
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-07-26 2:16:16 PM  

#13  Thanks TopMac. Must be for camo puposes. Hate to think it has anything to do with orientation!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)   2004-07-26 1:25:39 PM  

#12  Cyber Sarge, a "Pinky" is an outfitted Land Rover for the SAS they use for long range desert patrols. Their paint is a funny shade of pink, hence, "Pinky" or occasionally "Pink Panthers"
Posted by: TopMac   2004-07-26 12:37:26 PM  

#11  Ten-four.
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-07-26 11:41:44 AM  

#10  That's my distant recollection of The Battle for the Falklands by Max Hastings and (someone else whose name I don't recall.)
Posted by: Matt   2004-07-26 11:28:08 AM  

#9  Really? Do tell.
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-07-26 11:23:01 AM  

#8  If I recall correctly there was a blue-on-blue shoot-out between the SAS and the SBS during one part of the Falklands campaign, in terrible weather.
Posted by: Matt   2004-07-26 10:58:34 AM  

#7  Not that I know that much about these groups but wouldn't this be like having Army Rangers train the Navy SEALS? WTH is a 'Pinky' and why didn't they call in airstrikes to destroy it when it was left behind? I don't think I would want a nickname of 'Shakies' for a fighting force.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter)   2004-07-26 10:30:53 AM  

#6  Aye, utter cock.
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-07-26 10:29:10 AM  

#5  I blame Paddy Pantsdown, personally. What a disgrace to the regiment...
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-07-26 10:27:00 AM  

#4  SBS were good enough to send into Afghanistan first - looks like a game of military handbags to me.
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-07-26 10:10:38 AM  

#3  were intruding on its remit. It is thought that the SBS has been lobbying to be granted a "30km insertion capability" that

And there you have it.
We inheirit a lot from the British. :)
Posted by: Shipman   2004-07-26 9:32:47 AM  

#2  And the Bravo Two Zero debacle (GW1) couldn't be viewed similarly?

Not really. B20 had no weapons heavy enough to engage the enemy in serious strength. They didn't have vehicles, either. Theirs was meant to be a low-key surveillance mission, not a combat-capable patrol like this SBS one.
Posted by: Bulldog   2004-07-26 9:26:52 AM  

#1  And the Bravo Two Zero debacle (GW1) couldn't be viewed similarly?
Posted by: Howard UK   2004-07-26 9:13:21 AM  

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