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| Call to end âjihadâ abuse |
| 2004-06-27 |
| Several Muslim organisations, including the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, today criticised terrorists for âmisusingâ the term jihad and stressed the need for clearing the air on the âholyâ word that had nothing to do with terror. âIt is very unfortunate that we have reached a point where we need to clarify that jihad has nothing to do with terrorism. It is a holy word in the Quran meaning action done to further the cause of god,â said board vice-president Maulana Kalbe Sadiq at a conference on Terrorism and Jihad: an Islamic perspective. Leaders of all religions should be involved in a discussion on the issue and people should be made to understand the difference between jihad and terrorism, he said.âWidespread misuse of the word jihad as a synonym for terrorism might confuse the people,â warned Kalbe Sadiq. T.A. Rehmani, president of the Muslim Political Council of India, underscored the need for eminent Islamic scholars and the secular intelligentsia to take an âunanimous, just, firm and clear standâ on jihad, âwhich is of paramount importance to the whole worldâ. |
| Posted by:TS(vice girl) |
| #18 Good thing the word "Crusade" is so well understood, huh? |
| Posted by: Bootlicker 2004-06-27 2:32:13 AM |
| #17 This is from India. Nothing is official or is taken seriously in Islam until it comes out of Mecca. Even a peace treaty is not official unless it is signed in Mecca, per the Koran. |
| Posted by: Ptah 2004-06-27 9:45:48 PM |
| #16 know what? "Gay" doesn't mean what it used to mean either. Fact is, Kalbe, baby, you guys need to find another word, cuz whatever you think "jihad" should mean, it don't. I think it's ironic that terrorists "hijacked" the word "jihad!" |
| Posted by: Anonymous5423 2004-06-27 4:53:41 PM |
| #15 lol |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-06-27 1:08:13 PM |
| #14 It seems that allan does provide....I wonder if he'd give me a blowjob, I'm feeling a little randy today. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-06-27 1:04:52 PM |
| #13 what won't Allan provide? That would be satisfaction. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-06-27 1:03:33 PM |
| #12 great, first it's 72 what won't Allan provide? |
| Posted by: Frank G 2004-06-27 10:19:06 AM |
| #11 Mike - 5,000 havoc-making angels In some places, such as Athens, Ohio, "havoc-making angels" is a synonym for "sorority members." Naw, that's here at USC/Columbia. Mike |
| Posted by: Mike Kozlowski 2004-06-27 9:39:40 AM |
| #10 5,000 havoc-making angels In some places, such as Athens, Ohio, "havoc-making angels" is a synonym for "sorority members." |
| Posted by: Mike 2004-06-27 9:22:20 AM |
| #9 Thanks HP. There's a whole crapload of jihad in the Quran. I have no idea how anyone can convincingly explain the references away. I'm sure it can be done, but it is an awesome task. I keep wondering if it can take one well-written, charismatic superstar, or will it require generations of hard-working scholars. [2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. [4.71] ...go forth in detachments or go forth in a body [to war]. [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off [8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war [9.05] ...slay the idolaters wherever you find them...take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush... [47.04] ...when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them And my personal favorite: [3.125] Yea! if you remain patient and are on your guard, and they come upon you in a headlong manner, your Lord will assist you with five thousand of the havoc-making angels. Man, I'd love to have 5,000 havoc-making angels. |
| Posted by: beer_me 2004-06-27 5:07:37 AM |
| #8 A few passages from the Quran: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah" (Surat At-Taubah 9:29). "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them" (Quran 8:12). "The unbelievers among the People of the Book(Bible), and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures" (Quran 98:1-8). "Fight against those who believe not in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam), until they are subdued" (Surat At-Taubah 9:29). |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-06-27 4:37:21 AM |
| #7 All well said! |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-06-27 3:45:21 AM |
| #6 Oh yeah, Anon1. That's our main contribution to this whole mess: By removing the nutjobs by any means possible. Except by putting panties on their heads. Can't do that. Wouldn't be prudent. Otherwise, where would those Japanese |
| Posted by: beer_me 2004-06-27 3:07:30 AM |
| #5 and by hinder i mean we can and should by any means necessary eliminate the Qutb's. Assassinations, prison, bombs, you name it. They have to go. |
| Posted by: Anon1 2004-06-27 2:53:17 AM |
| #4 Correct, Beer_me. We just want the moderates to win the battle for the intellectual direction of Islam. We want the ones who follow Qutb's interpretations to LOSE and the ones who ignore the warlike tendencies and consider Jihad an inner struggle ONLY against vice to WIN. when that day comes there will be no more planes flying into towers. You are definitely right on Point 2: it is a muslim issue to resolve. Other religions got nuttin to do with it. But we can and will interfere to hinder the Qutb's (islamofascists) and to promote the ROPs. |
| Posted by: Anon1 2004-06-27 2:52:31 AM |
| #3 Not that I disagree with what Mr. Sadiq is trying to say, but I think he's being a bit evasive. When he says, "It is a holy word in the Quran meaning action done to further the cause of God", there are many "reasonable" interpretations, a la Sayyid Qutb, of the Quran that posit terroristic actions as proper. There are many passages written down by the Prophet, as well as the extra stories written by his later followers, that guide and sanction a lot of the Islamic numbwits working in the world today. What Mr. Sadiq should do is acknowledge these facts, then work towards a re-interpretation of these enabling passages. Otherwise, it's just too easy for the Islamist pushers of jihad to dismiss non-violent voices such as Mr. Sadiq as unauthentic, thus irrelevant. Second point: WTF is he talking about about, "Leaders of all religions should be involved...". This ain't anybody's issue to resolve but Muslims'. The rest of us are only involved in arresting and killing the "misguided" Islamists. It's not us that need to understand the real meaning of jihad. The day Islamists resolve jihad and the more violent teachings of the Prophet as metaphors for spiritual struggle is the day the war stops. Plus, I want a pony. And some beer that doesn't make me fat in the gut. |
| Posted by: beer_me 2004-06-27 2:48:27 AM |
| #2 [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted] |
| Posted by: Bootlicker TROLL 2004-06-27 2:32:13 AM |
| #1 "Clearing the Air", yep! |
| Posted by: Lucky 2004-06-27 2:18:58 AM |