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| 2004-06-01 |
| Can this guy be anymore none Presidental!! I mean how much slack is the press going to give this guy. Are they keeping things like this quiet so there is a race or what? I just don’t understand how this guy in one week can make fun of the President and the next flip off a Vietnam Vet and then start ranting about this vet being a felon. Is this guy kooky or what. Howard Dean, at this point is looking more stable. Lord help us. BTW - This link is from Newsmax.com Kerry ’Flips Off’ Vietnam Vet Democratic Senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned. Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 AM Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here." At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about six feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN tee-shirt. Kerry then began talking to a group of school children. Sampley then showed the tee-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam." Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly ’flashed the bird’ at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!" Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Senator John McCain’s cheif aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose. Sampley’s group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC’s Scarborough Country. Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley’s group. Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry’s skin once again. |
| Posted by:Long Hair Republican |
| #22 4) LGF: Charles is one strange dude, I can't figure him out. He's entitled to his opinion, and I appreciate his site (then again, I also read Kevin Drum, so go figure). But LGF is LGF, and Rantburg is Rantburg. Let's keep it that way, okay folks? Posted by: Steve White 2004-06-01 7:46:41 PM Fine wif me. I was just trying to be helpful. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-06-01 9:35:14 PM |
| #21 Dr Steve - I'll buy that Sampley went looking for this fight. As for the Lizard Master, lol, well he started out as a fairly liberal Lefty mainly blogging the superiority of and software for Macs, the Tour de France, and similar. A moderate - according to him and some old-timers like zulubaby (I think I heard it from her). It was the Sep 2000 intifada that changed him - because the Paleos sickened him. I think he just evolved into this. He has spoken about it all a few times. I found his blog about 3 yrs ago - after the change - cuz I was looking for this sort of info. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-06-01 8:38:45 PM |
| #20 Oh hell, I'll put my two cents in. 1) Typical Kerry. 2) Sampley ought to do this with more class. These sorts of confrontations will only generate sympathy for Kerry. That's right, sympathy, particularly if Kerry had some class in responding. But flipping the bird at the guy is the sort of thing that looks a little macho to some folks and thus plays well. Sampley and his fellow travellers need to understand that they help Kerry with in-your-face confrontations. Far better to wait for chance to serve up a revealing moment, like the snowboarding incident. 3) .com is correct in noting that the weenies never do figger out the Alley Oop guys til they have a bloody nose courtesy of Mr. AO. But giving a Kerry staffer a bloody nose any time between now and Nov would not be a good idea. 4) LGF: Charles is one strange dude, I can't figure him out. He's entitled to his opinion, and I appreciate his site (then again, I also read Kevin Drum, so go figure). But LGF is LGF, and Rantburg is Rantburg. Let's keep it that way, okay folks? |
| Posted by: Steve White 2004-06-01 7:46:41 PM |
| #19 CF - Not the bird, no I'm pretty sure he scanned for cameras before he flipped Sampley off... how about Flashdancing? As for Sampley, consider the story. A Green Beret who was supportive of the POW families. Here's McCain making politcal hay because he's got this untouchable status as a POW. If McCain had .01% of the class of guys like Adm James Stockdale (a TRUE POW hero), then I'd cut him some slack. Anyway, Sampley confronts McCain's staffer Salter. We don't KNOW what happened out of sight, now do we? No - we don't. Salter emerges with his face caved in - and Sampley the GB is the culprit. I'll lay you some great odds he asked for it with some smartass comment. There are some people, Thank Goodness, who just don't take shit - from anybody. Sampley's probably one of those guys. Salter's probably a typical Legislative Aide, i.e. an ass-kissing sycophantic little wannabee. So I fall on Sampley's side of the razor blade given the facts presented. You may, of course, differ. Just my $0.02 take. There is an entire school of psychology that debates the causes of incivility in America today. One of the reasons tendered is that the wussification of the American Male - which has been underway for about 4 decades, now - has finally resulted in most males, especially if under 25, having The Clockwork Orange response to violence. In this scenario, a uniform anti-violence script / ruleset has been imposed. Given this imagined "cover", there are snippy little 'tards who now believe that they can get away with the shrill nasty incivility we have all noticed is so prevalent in the shreiking Left. The funny thing is that the indoctrination isn't 100% effective - and there are those Neanderthal Alley Oop throwbacks who either never got the treatment, or brushed it off - and I am one of those. They don't share the ruleset. So when some little jackoff gets in their face and tries the shriek routine - he gets a surprise. Okay, that's $0.04. Need change? IMHO, fuck the weenies. Get in the wrong face and get yours handed back to you after tenderizing. Q.E.D. In other words, they'd better grow some manners, just as we had to in our youth. If you screw around with the bull, eventually you'll get the horn. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-06-01 5:38:54 PM |
| #18 Actually, I think McCain's staffer showed some commendable ballsiness in walking out to the stairs with Sampley. Even an old, out-of-shape Green Beret scares me. |
| Posted by: mojo 2004-06-01 5:34:03 PM |
| #17 Besides the obvious, what I get out of this is that when Sampley got under Salter's skin, Salter punched him out. When he got under Kerry's skin, Kerry hid behind the Secret Service and flashed the bird. Watta guy, he's got my vote. Cowards_for_Kerry.org |
| Posted by: Anonymous5086 2004-06-01 5:01:42 PM |
| #16 Shipman: Seems a troll/poster at LFG reveal he/she has been making a nuisance of him/herself because of being a part of a webring dedicated to 'patrolling' conservative websites, prsumably for gathering information for AUP policy violations. Recently Charles has been under attack from leftist bloggers for over-the-top commentary by some of the more extreme elements who post there, primarily focussed around the middle of April, when there was such outrage about the Fallujah murders. Also, there are at least four blogs which 'monitor' LFG, again and presumably for AUP policy violation; all clearly with the intent of shutting LGF down. KInda unfair, iffin you ask me. The guy is very mild in his criticisms of Islamists, etc, and yet these leftwingers are on his ass like Kerry is on his own Viet Nam service. SO the operating assumption is that there is a webring of leftists who are patrolling sites to check for AUP policy violations with a view of shutting them down. I am trying to find where these folks are myself, but it takes some doing. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-06-01 4:44:45 PM |
| #15 Sssssssssso whatsssssssss wrong with LGF. I missss Ssssassssha. |
| Posted by: Shipman 2004-06-01 3:59:38 PM |
| #14 I'll cut Sampley some slack because he was a Green Beret. Kerry is in meltdown mode along with Dean and Gore who already have gone off the deep end. Imagine if Gore was Prez now. Kerry is nothing but a political weasel who came back from (4 months) in NAM and fought against the war longer than he actually fought in it. He had an agenda in polkitics. His 1971 "hearings" were his jumping board. He has succeeded well on the backs of those Nam Vets he trashed. Despite the intense biased media coverage, Demorat rantings and those of their surrogates (Soros, Moore) et al they are self destructing in their own hatred. Kerry will get his buttons pushed more and more now after this. I only know those Vets at our VFW and how they feel about him. He sucks.We will see how Hanoi John handles things going forward. |
| Posted by: Bill Nelson 2004-06-01 2:01:23 PM |
| #13 Anyone have a pic of Skerry flipping the bird in front of a bunch of schoolchildren? And Sampley sounds like a wacko to me.... |
| Posted by: CrazyFool 2004-06-01 9:08:26 AM |
| #12 McCain deserved all the grief put on him by this guy - look at McCain's actions: he sold the POW issue out for political gain. ANd doing so, he also severely dishonored the POW groups. Its all out there - that's why nobody trusts McCain. POW? Who cares, when his post-POW performance has been as shabby as Kerry when it comes to maltreatment of some of his fellow veterans. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-06-01 9:01:06 AM |
| #11 Well that Viet vet who confronted pussy Kerry is a felon. A very minor one for jacking up (punching out in a stairwell?) some scumbag congressional staffer who was involved in some Vietnam Senate hearings a decade ago. BUT KERRY is the traitorous skunk who stabbed our boys in the back once he got home free, after a few phony Purple Hearts. |
| Posted by: Anonymous5072 2004-06-01 8:53:39 AM |
| #10 And since when the Rantburg comments section turn into LGF? Lord have mercy! Another leftist with an agenda against LGF! Chuck Johnson not only has to put up with leftists trying to kill his site, now Fred has to deal with the spill over. The 'racism' charge against LGF is patently false. I suspect a number of other bloggers hateful for LGF's success are responsible for this little campaign. Are you one of those bloggers? Kerry's 'the bird' incident is indicative of the level this man operates. Kerry committed war crimes in Viet Nam, bent the rules to leave and then launched into a 30 plus year in which he has campaigned to undermine the national security of the United States. And now with the democratic party in full socialist mode, he has the perfect vehicle to continue with this agenda. |
| Posted by: badanov 2004-06-01 7:39:39 AM |
| #9 Look, it's not that we're defending Kerry - I can't stand le Dauphin - but the guy who confronted him isn't exactly a credit to the cause. I remember that controversy with McCain. If anybody has the right to face off with the POW/MIA folks, it's somebody like McCain, who actually *was* a POW. For somebody to assault an aide because he didn't like what he was hearing from that guy's boss... that's just not cool. I wouldn't want a guy like that even *near* a group of kids. The right can't answer for John Kerry's sins, but it's certainly responsible for the excesses committed on its behalf. Someone terrorizing children as a means to the end of embarrassing John Kerry isn't exactly something anti-Kerry folks ought to be bragging about. For one thing, it's terrible politics. For every POW-MIA member of the chorus it preaches to, it's going to alienate ten mothers who hate to see children get caught in the quarrels of adults. |
| Posted by: Mitch H. 2004-06-01 7:37:42 AM |
| #8 Agreed. These sorts of incidents show Kerry doesn't have the patience, focus or self-control to be President - he would be the pawn of anyone who figured out how to push his buttons. It's a character issue, and Kerry's is lacking. |
| Posted by: true true 2004-06-01 5:48:57 AM |
| #7 Mike, don't you think this kinda reflects on the character of Like the man said....."non presidential" |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-06-01 2:57:24 AM |
| #6 Personally, I wouldn't have faulted Kerry if he had gone a little Buzz Aldrin on the guy. And since when the Rantburg comments section turn into LGF? |
| Posted by: Baltic Blog 2004-06-01 2:54:43 AM |
| #5 Senator Traitorous Sackofshit has not the self-control or dignity to behave in a manner befitting Senator much less President. But then he is a DEMONcRAT and gutter rats -- see Teddy and Billy and Algore and Pelosi -- to members of that Party are the best they can be. |
| Posted by: Garrison 2004-06-01 2:43:38 AM |
| #4 President Bush is one lucky man. The Democrats nominated the most disagreeable twirp in the world to run against him. |
| Posted by: rex 2004-06-01 2:26:19 AM |
| #3 Mike, gosh darn it, you're prolly right. I think you should tell him - to his face. And Skeery, he's obviously not a provocative liar, traitor, and asshole whose visit to the Memorial was serious business, not a political photo-op. |
| Posted by: .com 2004-06-01 2:20:22 AM |
| #2 Most people who read this will not fault Kerry for giving Sampley the finger. Sampley is obviously a provocative jerk. . |
| Posted by: Mike Sylwester 2004-06-01 2:13:05 AM |
| #1 Lol! It just doesn't pay to screw around with some people, eh Skeery? Methinks Sampley doesn't just get under his skin, Skeery's skeered of him. So Skeery's not terminally stupid, he's just on the other side, as puppy-blender sez. Let's see how many other sources materialize offering this story, lol! |
| Posted by: .com 2004-06-01 1:41:33 AM |