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| Moslems Executing Apostates is Like UK or US Executing Traitors |
| 2004-05-25 |
| From Khilafah .... One idea that requires a response is the attack on aspects of the Shar’iah as barbaric. They claim that the standards for acceptability over 1400 years ago are different from the acceptable norms today. Therefore they say it is barbaric to stone the adulterer and lash the fornicator and cut the hand of the thief and - most controversially in their eyes – to kill the apostate. There I’ve said it. I can just imagine the human rights organisations rallying their capitalist brethren and the defeatist Muslims cringing. Yet it is an irrevocable command from the Creator, without distortion, abrogation or capitulation. The Messenger of Allah SalAllahu alaihi wasallam said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him". This goes against the Capitalist grain. How can someone be killed for choosing to reject Islam, does this not go against the concept of Freedom of Religion? And what about the Qur’anic injunction, "Let there be no compulsion in religion ...." Doesn’t this safeguard the right of Freedom of religion? The simple answer to this is it doesn’t. This verse relates to the rejection of forcibly converting someone to Islam against their will not to a Muslim who rejects Islam and becomes an apostate (Murtaad). Instead of defending or sidelining this command, we must take the fight back to the Capitalist West. In Britain for example the death penalty for Murder was only abolished in 1965, but few even know that it remained on the statute books for killing a member of the British Royal family and for acts of treason including military offences until 1998. Therefore theoretically up until 1998, a person could be executed for an act against the state. .... Aside from the states which carry the death penalty for civilian crimes, the US also has a stipulation for execution of military servicemen during wartime. There are 15 offences which carry the death penalty in wartime, they include desertion and disobeying the orders of an officer. What this tells us is that there is an acceptance in the US and until recently in the UK that the one who betrays his country ought to be killed. .... Therefore there is an actual acceptance in the US and a wide base of opinion in British society as a result of the sensationalist press that the one who betrays ‘his country’ ought to be punished severely, whilst the one who breaks the covenant with his Creator ought to be allowed to practice his personal freedom. .... O’ Muslims it is not allowed for the Muslims to dilute the pristine Islamic thinking, believing it will contribute to the acceptance of Islam by the masses. .... Muslims must present all of the Islamic rules and laws in the pure and pristine manner that they were conveyed by the Messenger of Allah .... |
| Posted by:Mike Sylwester |
| #9 Yuse guys have it all wrong!!!!! It's not the "Religion of Peace", it's the "Religion of Pieces"!!!!! Pieces of babies, pieces of civilians, pieces of innocent Muslim bystanders!!!!! Get it through your head. It's the "Religion of Pieces"!!!!! |
| Posted by: anymouse 2004-05-25 7:31:41 PM |
| #8 The way you fight an idea is with a better idea. Islams death penalty for those who abbandon it is one to prevent some one from hearing a better idea |
| Posted by: cheaderhead 2004-05-25 5:45:18 PM |
| #7 Islam is a hollow log. Nudge it with your foot, the termites come swarming out and bite. Hit it hard enough and it collapses. |
| Posted by: 11A5S 2004-05-25 11:14:00 AM |
| #6 The Religion of Peace even resorts to terrorism and threats to keep its membership numbers up. I can't really see killing an ex-Moslem in any other light. |
| Posted by: ruprecht 2004-05-25 9:59:07 AM |
| #5 Perfectly put, Virginian. |
| Posted by: Mike Sylwester 2004-05-25 9:27:45 AM |
| #4 The reason the US executes people for treason is the same reason it executes people for murder. Treason is a crime against the life and security of the people. To equate apostasy to treason requires equating apostasy to a mortal threat to the people who believe in Islam. But apostasy is not a threat to life, it is a threat only to belief. A set of beliefs of itself cannot kill anyone. |
| Posted by: virginian 2004-05-25 9:09:26 AM |
| #3 this is why the article 18 of the declaration of universal human rights (religious freedom)see: http://uscirf.gov/index.php3?scale=800&SID=0c7ae381d0dab89486748927203bd8c7 is so despised in the Islamic world. Khilafa probably realizes that if Islam permits apostates to live, the whole Islamic house of cards will crumble. Ironically, the medival Islamic scientists that Islamic apologists of today like to cite were mostly sceptics and some were outright deniers. |
| Posted by: mhw 2004-05-25 8:31:33 AM |
| #2 "What this tells us is that there is an acceptance in the US and until recently in the UK that the one who betrays his country ought to be killed. .... Therefore there is an actual acceptance in the US and a wide base of opinion in British society as a result of the sensationalist press that the one who betrays ‘his country’ ought to be punished severely, whilst the one who breaks the covenant with his Creator ought to be allowed to practice his personal freedom. ...." God, I hope Westerners are really reading articles like this one very, very, carefully. Muslims living in Western countries keep telling us: We are a country within your country. Your laws do not apply to us - Because we are muslims first and above all, we will live by muslims laws not yours. Their message is very clear and direct. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4617 2004-05-25 7:59:49 AM |
| #1 We don't execute traitors. We nominate them for the presidency. |
| Posted by: someone 2004-05-25 6:50:22 AM |