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Iraq-Jordan
Civilian casualties in Iraq
2004-05-22
Ever wonder if women and children are actually getting shot in Iraq, and if so, why? Here’s an account from a soldier engaged in convoy protection in the Sunni Triangle (courtesy of Don Sensing’s website):

We were in the middle of Baghdad on a main highway being attacked; there were buildings all around us, and people in the buildings firing weapons at us. I looked off to the left at a frontage road and I saw nine cars in rows of three. There was a line of women in front of all the cars, and some of them had children with them. I thought they were just watching us get attacked, and then men started popping up behind them firing at us - they were using the women as shields!! It took me a second to realize that. They were standing on the hoods of the cars behind the women and children; it shocked the hell out of me. Then we started getting hit with small arms fire, which sounded like golf balls hitting metal. I started firing back at them but I couldn’t get passed the women; they were all I could hit, and they started falling down. The men turned around and ran back behind the cars to fire...

I looked over and saw the two little kids that were on the bridge earlier, they were firing at me again. The older one, who had shot me earlier, was firing at the trailer and the semi, and the younger kid was firing two to three rounds at a time directly at me. I fired another round over their heads but they didn’t budge, and apparently they were not about to. Then I aimed at the younger kid’s chest and fired the round. It went into his throat and out the other side, and he dropped to the ground dead.

The older kid looked down at him, then up at me, and started laying into it; firing twenty to thirty rounds at a time at me. I rolled over, trying not to get hit, then I aimed at his head and shot, but I missed and it went over his head and hit the wall. Luckily it knocked enough debris down on him to drop him. I knew he wasn’t dead, but he was down on the ground and that was good enough for me.
These terrorists are really something - using their own people (probably not their family members or friends) to shield themselves from attack. This is Muslim honor? The only problem I see with Abu Ghraib is that our boys aren’t tough enough on captured terrorists. There are innocent civilians getting killed because of these Baathist/Islamist thugs. The only way our boys will be able to stop them is by finding out who they are, where they are and where they hide their weapons. Getting information from terrorists without coercion is a lost cause.
Posted by:Zhang Fei

#9  the usual Islamic Heroes™

what a fetid culture
Posted by: Frank G   2004-05-22 10:41:13 PM  

#8  Well if our leaders would get some BRAINS and start exposing the cowards on video (or even pictures) instead of bending over and allowing Al-Jitzz/ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/BBC/... to sodomize us with the prison abuses by a few.

If we were to show such videos then the public backlash against Sadr and the 'insurgants' might cause them to stop using civilian human shields or young boys.
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-05-22 10:15:22 PM  

#7  sad isn't it,we are going to have to kill women and children because of cowards
Posted by: djohn66   2004-05-22 4:30:16 PM  

#6  The jihadis use anything as a tool against us. Our humanity is considered a weakness. When Sammy was criticized for his cruelty and torture, etc., he killed his opposition, ignored them, or told them to screw off.

Americans in the Pacific war in WW2 tried to get the Japanese to surrender. They got shot or booby trapped. The Americans hardened up and then took no quarter. The same goes for Iraq and the rest of the WoT (WoI). The decisions on the part of the Jihadis to include women and children as combatants will backfire when the Allies harden up and take them out as combatants. The Israelis had to deal with the same thing. It is just the way this war will go.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-05-22 2:02:20 PM  

#5  I thought this was a tactic used only in Somalia.
Posted by: Rafael   2004-05-22 7:32:13 AM  

#4  Before my son went over there earlier this year, he told me his #1 fear-- above getting killed, even-- was of being caught in one of these situations where the jihadis would force him to shoot at civilians, especially kids, in a gun battle.

These "honorable" Arabs certainly know how to exploit our fears.
Posted by: Dave D.   2004-05-22 7:04:58 AM  

#3  Shoot to kill boys.

I've been saying this all along. Basically, capturing insurgents/terrorists will result in being stuck with feeding them, clothing them, and maintaining their health, wasting money and resources that are best expended on more worthy individuals.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-05-22 1:18:13 AM  

#2  Shoot to kill boys. Until the word gets out that these tactics don't work and that it only gets your girl friends and their little brothers killed, it wont stop. Shoot to kill.

Swarthy men hiding behind kids. Arabs, whats not to like.

"You like me don't you Lucky?"

"Yes Abu, your a mans man."
Posted by: Lucky   2004-05-22 12:59:22 AM  

#1  The CIA has metal detectors at the entrances to their 'secret prisons' they are not going to allow pictures to get out. The photgs at Abu Graib should have been shot for treason. And another thing, mark my words; if Sadre lives through this handover, we will regret it 3 years from now! He will align with Iran having won the civil war in Iraq, and a Super State of Iran will emerge.
Posted by: smn   2004-05-22 12:25:34 AM  

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