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| Proof that Moveon.org is colluding with Kerry Campaign |
| 2004-04-19 |
I joined the Moveon.org mailing list a few months ago in a fit of "know thy enemy" enthusiasm. Recently, Moveon has been under FEC scrutiny at the behest of the RNC as a possible illegal soft money funnel to Kerry’s campaign. Check out the bolded text from this Moveon email excerpt. Rather damning I’d say."Dear MoveOn member, |
| Posted by:mjh |
| #24 Anon4347, how about YOU contribute some data to back up those lies you're spewing? (You couldn't be talking about lobbyists like Democrat Linda Daschle, wife of Sen. Tom, who makes sure that laws which aren't too odious to the airline industry are passed? In fact, interesting times, indeed: why didn't the 9/11 Commission reveal that although Al Gore was head of a commission about airline terrorism which came up with findings that might have prevented the 9/11 hijackings (like instituting "racial profiling" of Arab males), his committee's findings and recommendations were buried by Linda Daschle and her airline cronies because they would have hurt the industry?) As for energy lobbyists, who was in bed with Enron?? How about Clinton and Gore! Signing the Kyoto Protocol and implementing it would have benefitted the Natural Gas industry, the very industry brokered by... Enron. Similarly, who did Gray Out Davis turn to for power when California was experiencing rolling blackouts? Enron. When the Dimocrats stop saying that the Republicans "do it,too and therefore it's OK" and start cleaning up their act, maybe then Americans will elect them to office again. We don't do it, too and if on the off chance there is a crooked Republican, we make sure he takes the responsibility and punishment for same unlike Dims like the Clintons who've made a private fortune rivalling Donald Trump's on soft money from the ChiComs, selling presidential pardons, insider tips on cattle futures, and God knows what else! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-20 12:48:35 AM |
| #23 THere you go again, trying to change the subject. The subject is: Did MOVEON illegally coordinate and support the Kerry Campaign? The answer is YES and all your attempts to obfuscate it and point fingers makes you look all the more guilty. Thanks you for such a marvelous demonstration of the Democrats inability to face the truth and tendendcies to break the laws. And also, you cannot refute that Bush derives far more of his funds from small individual contributors. Its his "grass roots" campaign that started last year. Go to the proper page for the FEC< and you'll see this to be the truth. SOros and his big money cronies are trying to buy the election by bypassing the campaign laws. Kerry would be floundering without the illicit support because he cannot raise funds individually in the volume that the Republicans have done. So consider one of your cherised illusions banished. The party of Big Money and Bought Influence is now the Democrat Party. As an example, take a look at Kennedy's delays of judicial appointments to bend a legal case for one of his big contributors. That will soon be investigated as an ethics violation. Something Kennedy and liberal Democrats seem to commit quite often these days. TO sum, in the immortal words of Willy Wonka: "You LOSE! You get NOTHING! Good DAY sir!" |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-04-20 12:36:00 AM |
| #22 Back again. Please don't go into campaign contribution issues unless you actually have some data to contribute. Wanna go into which industries have major bills in front of the current Congress (e.g. drug industries, energy firms, etc) and how much each industry and its 'lobbyist' cronies have given to each party? Guess what, guys: the GOP wins hands down. And the interesting part is that even though they hold an absolute majority in both houses, they can't get a single item on their 'A' list of "priority bills" passed. We live in interesting times.... |
| Posted by: Anonymous4347 2004-04-20 12:28:38 AM |
| #21 I know, O.S. I wasn't doing that well financially in 2000 during the Florida Recount (which I call the Gore Coup Attempt) and I was one of thousands of ordinary Americans who gave Bush $25.00 to finance his part of the recount expenses and the transition team. Member how Clinton wouldn't give the Bush Team the keys to the Transition HQ and then Cheney had his heart attack? Awful days, but we came through for the guy we loved! And if the troll doesn't believe me, look up the 2000 donations at GeorgeWBush.com! |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-20 12:08:22 AM |
| #20 Jen - quite true. Republican campaing contributions are far more likely to be from individuals in less than $1000 amounts. Democrats get their money from financiers like Soros and big organizations like Unions. The REAL people's party, according to finance, has been the Republican Party. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-04-20 12:00:11 AM |
| #19 No need to worry about the GOP, Anon4340. CFR was primarily aimed at the abuse of Soft Money. And who has abused Soft Money seemingly forever? The Dimocrats. The GOP doesn't sneak around and use soft money. We don't have to. |
| Posted by: Jen 2004-04-19 11:58:23 PM |
| #18 The problem is that the first impulse for Democrats is to start pointing at Republicans and jawing that they aren't doing anything the other side isnt doing. Thats a grade school sort of morality that has eaten the Democratic party from the inside until it is left hollow and hate filled, and can only incoherently rage against its loss of political power. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-04-19 11:58:13 PM |
| #17 I'm sorry again -- I thought I made this clear. IF the articles claimed are true, and IF these activities are actually against the newly-enacted campaign-finance reform laws, then those those responsible should both be prosecuted through the legal system AND be publicly exposed (and made fun of!) through the public media just such as this. No disagreement here at all. Just so that such treatment works for ALL sides (note that I did not say 'both' sides for there are most certainly more than two...) -- intellectual honesty is universal. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 11:54:33 PM |
| #16 Anon: Fact: Moveon just admitted it specifically was spending to support Kerry. Fact: DOing so outside of the campaign finance reform laws is a crime. Conclusion: Democrats are so desperate and insanely angry about Bush they are resorting to criminal acts to try to defeat him. Why have you not addressed that? Your fingerpointing and handwaving doesnt address the central issue: Moveon.org is ILLEGALLY coordinating with the Kerry Campaign. |
| Posted by: OldSpook 2004-04-19 11:43:36 PM |
| #15 I apologize for not being more familiar with this site and those who post to it: I have no idea who 'Avis' or 'Aris' or any other such party is. Again, no actual discussion or dialogue on any issues. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 11:40:29 PM |
| #14 anonymous4340, you come here criticizing Republicans, in your defense of corrupt democrats. "Republicans do it too", so democrats are JUSTIFIED. And then you present your bonafides, "....nor do I consider myself a liberal". YOU are the one who threw your denial of being a liberal, into the mix. We just chunked it back at you...... |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-04-19 11:36:04 PM |
| #13 Hi Aris. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-19 11:15:36 PM |
| #12 Interesting comments indeed. As mentioned, some focus on my supposed 'liberalness' without ever addressing a single issue raised in the posts themselves, and -- of course -- with no knowledge whatever of the poster. I believe this was mentioned earlier and referred to as 'ad hominem' argumentation. There appears to be truly no point in continuing this. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 11:12:46 PM |
| #11 seems to me anon is trying awfully hard to pin this on just the Repoops without appearing to be biased..so me thinks you have a point halfassed. Not working. Be like Avis. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-19 10:51:29 PM |
| #10 Well, mr/mrs anonymous4340....NO LIBERAL considers himself/herself to be a liberal. To a man/woman, they all think they're "middle of the road", or "moderate". For you to even say;"...nor do I consider myself a "liberal", tells me that you most likely are exactly that.....a liberal. |
| Posted by: Halfass Pete 2004-04-19 10:47:14 PM |
| #9 No, not the point (although it's an interesting one -- I don't think it could be supported by any sort of evidence, however). The only point was: skulduggery, underhandedness, misdirection, intentional obfuscation of issues, ad-hominem argumentation, and just plain intellectual dishonesty is disreputable and demeaning to the human spirit -- and culturally self-defeating -- regardless of who is perpetrating the behavior. Even the Bible warns against this kind of behavior in the parable of the mote and beam... |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 10:45:26 PM |
| #8 well..ok, so politicians are a sub species of humans. If that's your point, I can respect that. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-19 10:06:36 PM |
| #7 No, that was neither the intent or the implication, sorry. The misuse of these organizations is distasteful and contrary to the purpose and intent of the campaign fund-raising laws: regardless of the 'side' one is on. And incidentally, I'm not a registered Democrat nor do I consider myself a 'liberal'. I do know the general definition of intellectual honesty, however. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 10:01:49 PM |
| #6 well...golleee...I guess if the evil Repooplicans do it - then I guess that makes it ok. That's why you use crack -right anonymous4340? Cause everyone else is doing it. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-19 9:54:51 PM |
| #5 Oh, come on. Don't go this way, guys. It's not like anyone who reads a newspaper or has access to google can't find innumerable instances of Republican uses/misuses of allegedly 'non-profit' organizations whose entire purpose is circumventing -- as close to the edge as possible -- the campaign fund-raising laws that Bush fought against witoothth -and-nail for years (even when he was governor of Texas). Of course, that didn't stop him from attempting to take credit for them anyway -- one of the funniest bits of absurdity in years. |
| Posted by: Anonymous4340 2004-04-19 9:48:08 PM |
| #4 Mr. Soros will no doubt be buying $1,000,000 worth of cookies. |
| Posted by: B 2004-04-19 9:02:01 PM |
| #3 help raise some dough You mean the baker's union is short of yeast? I am so confused? |
| Posted by: Anonymous4052 2004-04-19 7:55:40 PM |
| #2 Maybe we should find out our local bake sales and then set up our own booth next to them to buy our country back from liberals. |
| Posted by: AF Lady 2004-04-19 7:45:57 PM |
| #1 Well the real grass roots party is the Republican. That is where the money comes from. Mom and Pop. $50-$100. I'm gald I changed parties in 2000. The democratic party does not represent this ocuntry. MR Soros has a habit of trying to buy elections based on his worldview. |
| Posted by: dataman1 2004-04-19 5:31:01 PM |