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Afghanistan/South Asia
Al-Qaeda strikes back in Pakistan
2004-03-25
After the Pakistani military's week-long offensive here inside the country's semiautonomous tribal belt, Al Qaeda supporters have launched a series of counterstrikes. On Tuesday evening, guerrillas attacked the headquarters of Pakistani paramilitary troops as well as government establishments in the Northwest Frontier Province's capital, Peshawar. In the nearby town of Bannu, a bomb exploded moments before a military convoy was to pass a bridge, killing three policemen and a civilian. In the tribal region of Korram Agency, masked men attacked a military camp, killing three troops. Villagers in South Waziristan have reported a series of explosions, mostly in the evenings. Significantly, these attacks have taken place well outside the 30-square mile area cordoned off by the Pakistani military in its roundup operation against Al Qaeda fighters. This broadening of the fight suggests that Pakistan could be facing a wider guerrilla war from Al Qaeda and their local supporters. "They are trying to hit back by adopting guerrilla tactics in an attempt to hurt Pakistani security forces," says Mohammad Noor, a local journalist. "By attacking in other cities and towns, they want to engage [Pakistani] forces beyond the troubled region and want to demonstrate their strength."
Up until now they've been keeping their activities under the often obliging radar. But open rebellion is a different thing from running an autonomous operation within somebody else's territory. The Paks will have to take "official" notice and they'll have to suppress it. Otherwise, Pashtunistan's a go and the problem assumes new dimensions.
The authorities have imposed a ban on riding motorbikes in South Waziristan as militants using bikes are believed to launch rocket attacks on kiosks and military bases. "They operate after sunset in small numbers, mostly two or three, and run away after carrying out attacks," says a local intelligence source.
"Just like they do in Afghanistan..."
"Once the darkness covers the mountains, we could see the movements of a few suspicious men carrying rockets over their shoulders, their bodies and faces covered with blankets. They disappeared and we could see only their shadows," says a tribesman in South Waziristan.
If I see somebody with his face covered, lugging a rocket into the night, I'd refer to them as something other than "suspicious."
The counteroffensive started Monday when a group of guerrillas attacked a military convoy 25 miles outside Wana in Sarwaki village. Ten military and three paramilitary troops were killed. Several convoy vehicles carrying troop supplies into South Waziristan were damaged. The militants are "feeling the heat, as they fear being uprooted from the region that has provided them shelter and given them a hope of survival. But now it has become a death trap, so they seem to be desperate and will fight a battle for their survival," says Sailab Mehsud, sociologist and a writer in South Waziristan.
If it was any other country other than Pakland that would be a stupid thing to do. Chances are good, though, that the Paks will finish up this little fistfight, withdraw, and leave the area to its own devices in the future, no matter what happens. They don't have a government; they have a name-calling society...
Meanwhile, Pakistani authorities are still trying to secure the release of 14 paramilitary troops and administration officials held hostage by Al Qaeda militants and local men. The hostages are believed to have been captured when the fighting began March 16 between paramilitary troops and "foreign terrorists," as Pakistani authorities describe them. Officials are trying to force cooperation from the Zalikhel tribe, which is accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants. Several tribesmen's houses have been demolished and their businesses shut. Around 10,000 well-armed and equipped military and paramilitary troops, backed by gunship helicopters, are engaged in fighting with 400 to 500 Al Qaeda militants and their local supporters, known as Men of Al Qaeda, in South Waziristan. Pakistan says that its security forces have struck "solid blows" to foreign terrorists who had been hiding here after crossing the border from Afghanistan into this tribal belt following the ouster of the Taliban by the US and allied forces in 2001.
Show us a stack of corpses and we'll believe you, kinda. Otherwise, having to use 10,000 to bump off 400 to 500 just isn't making it. The Boy Scouts could probably do it better, if they can stay out of court. Get yourselves a real army...
Several foreign and local militants, said to be mostly Chechens and Uzbeks, were killed during the operation launched on March 16, while around 125 have been arrested. The security forces have cordoned off several towns and villages spread over 30 square miles. Troops are conducting search operations in two of the towns, Schin Warsak and Kallu Shah, which are located some 10 miles west of Wana. "Pakistan wants to control this region and to cleanse it from Al Qaeda and the Taliban militants. By doing so they will try to finish this problem once and for all and strengthen their presence along the western border [with Afghanistan] as well," says Mr. Mehsud. "We are against the operation because of the miseries of innocent tribesmen.
"... and their darling puppies and kittens and baby ducks!"
"Not every tribesman is involved with Al Qaeda and cannot be punished for a sin or crime committed by a few tribesmen," says a tribal elder. "The tribesmen are ready to cooperate and will fully cooperate if the security forces pledge to withdraw from towns and villages after the operation."
Posted by:Dan Darling

#22  Agree LH. But to cut down on the verbage. The Paks screwed the poochy. They are not now, nor have they ever been a country, army or even a people. Fu*j 'em and their queer notions of nationhood.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-03-25 6:53:58 PM  

#21  10,000 vs 400.

Lets be fair to the pakis. if youre just trying to blast away at something its one thing. If your trying to take as many as possible alive, and especially some high value AQ guy, who wants to make a break for it, it makes sense to have enough guys to establish a cordon around a huge area like they did. Even if they screwed up and let the big quarry get away. and much (most?) of the 10,000 are unreliable tribals, useful for little more than manning the outer cordon. How regulars are actually doing the front line fighting? take 400, multiply by some usual need of a 3 to 1 advantage for an attacker against a fixed position, double that say, for this being a well established fixed position, and assume that the hardened AQ chechens and Uzbeks are 50% more efficient than the average Paki soldier. that would mean you'd need over 4000 Pakis on the front line. Figure the other 6,000 are to man the extensive outer cordon. Sounds like not an unreasonable amount for this battle. Better too many, than too few, if they can keep them supplied easily.
Posted by: Liberalhawk   2004-03-25 2:13:14 PM  

#20  I was afraid he was gonna turn into Fred, and then what the hell was I supposed to do?

Great! Finally someone who can understand my surprise upon learning I was a Kurd.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-03-25 1:22:00 PM  

#19  As oft misquoted as "play it again, Sam" (which is wrong). "I don't have to show you any stinking badges" - Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Posted by: Anoneemus   2004-03-25 1:01:00 PM  

#18  "Badges, I don't have no badges".
...or Belushi from Goin' South
Posted by: Rex Mundi   2004-03-25 12:36:29 PM  

#17  Lucky do you mean "Badges, we don't need no stinkin' badges"? I think it was from Treasure of the Sierra Madre.
Posted by: Dakotah   2004-03-25 12:07:03 PM  

#16  So the Pakies get their civil war. Kind of reminds me of that line "Badges, I don't have no badges".

Posted by: Lucky   2004-03-25 11:48:45 AM  

#15  I was afraid he was gonna turn into Fred, and then what the hell was I supposed to do?
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-25 11:22:53 AM  

#14   He was Abramov(Israel), Jack Brown, Thomas, Khan, Spencer, and robert, and most lately Smith
Whoa! Now that's a list. Had trouble finding himself evidently.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-03-25 11:15:25 AM  

#13  I hope Colin was impressed.
Posted by: Mr. Davis   2004-03-25 11:13:13 AM  

#12  He was Abramov(Israel), Jack Brown, Thomas, Khan, Spencer, and robert, and most lately Smith. Now he's banned...
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-25 10:48:07 AM  

#11  On the other hand, Ghulam is the same person as Lopez, jose, Jacob, Ben, Motin, Allah Rakha, and micheal. Sounds like the medication's running low...
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-25 10:44:14 AM  

#10  "I still think he's one of the guys using the product of all those emails that say 'click here right away!'"

One of those thoughtful caring adverts by people concerned with the size of your, uh, wallet?
Posted by: .com   2004-03-25 10:39:21 AM  

#9  B, Gollom Ratstool seems to have a things for dogs, prolly has a thing for sheep as well - bwhaahahaha.
Posted by: Jarhead   2004-03-25 10:34:54 AM  

#8  .com,

Nope. Not the same old nut. It's a different nut. This guy posts from rr.com, and it's the same origination for each post.

Boris' latest seems to have come from iplannetworks.net, the one before that from techtelnet.net, and last night from hostplus.net. He's also used ultrawholesale.com.au, and one lookup dies on win.be. I still think he's one of the guys using the product of all those emails that say "click here right away!"
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-25 10:33:24 AM  

#7  Jeesh, Ghulam. Are you going to write your little "dog" quote on every thread.

I think you are just jealous of the fine treatment our dogs get...living in air conditioned palaces and all. Is it hot where you are?
Posted by: B   2004-03-25 10:10:13 AM  

#6  Fred it was in CNN....My advice to u, take some time away from ur dog that may help you keep urself updated about wus going on in world beyond your dog...!
Posted by: Ghulam Rasool   2004-03-25 10:09:18 AM  

#5  "Ghulam Rasool"

Hmmm. Sure sounds familiar... Were you in GhostBusters? Fred, think one of those containment units might be available from the movie studio's prop deparment? I think we've got a slimer, here. ;-)
Posted by: .com   2004-03-25 10:03:40 AM  

#4  Where'd you hear that? Hafiz Saeed's house?
Posted by: Fred   2004-03-25 10:00:00 AM  

#3  I heard that after operation against tribals, Bush gave the statement that he consider Musharaff to be more faithful than his dog.....Musharaff after listeing to this said that its an honor to be a dog/bitch of Bush...!
Posted by: Ghulam Rasool   2004-03-25 9:46:45 AM  

#2  
The tribesmen ... will fully cooperate if the security forces pledge to withdraw ... after the operation.

The tribesmen should fully cooperate AND the security forces should stay after the operation. The tribesmen have forfeited their previous autonomy by allowing their area to be used as a base of terrorist operations against Afghanistan and against the Pakistani government. Welcome to the real world, tribesmen!
Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2004-03-25 7:05:55 AM  

#1  problem:operation causing misery on innocent tribesmen(id there such a thing?).

solution:wack'em and stack'em.
Posted by: Raptor   2004-03-25 5:47:31 AM  

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