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Zapatero wants to alter war on terror
2004-03-22
Spain's newly elected Socialist leader seeks not only to bring Spanish troops home from Iraq but to transform the war on terrorism from a battle fought with soldiers to one fought with spies.
"Yeah, that's it, we'll spy on them, heh-heh."
Accused by the Bush administration of caving in to terrorists, Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriquez Zapatero told Spain's leading daily newspaper that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a "great error" that has aggravated the terrorist threat. Good intelligence, not military action, is the key to success, Zapatero told El Pais.
Ummm... What do you do with the good intel when you've got it? Or is he talking about using secret agents with licenses to kill hunting the Bad Guys down and eliminating them one by one? I kinda doubt it. That's not intel, by the way; it's special operations, even though Jaime Bondo would be described by Rooters as a "spy."
"War is the last recourse, and in all cases, it is only an instrument of containment between countries, but never can it be an effective method for eliminating or fighting fanatic, radical or criminal groups," he said.
Just ask any Gepid.
"I trust that the U.S. administration will listen and understand that what has happened in Iraq is proof that this is not the way, that this path is mistaken."
What's that saying, war has never solved anything, other than slavery, fascism, communism, imperialism ...
Zapatero's position directly challenges the Bush administration's military-intensive approach to the war on terrorism. The emerging disagreements with Spain represent Washington's deepest rift with a European ally since France took the lead in opposing Bush's Iraq policy last year. Alluding to Zapatero's determination to withdraw its 1,300 troops from Iraq, Bush told diplomatic leaders Friday, "Any sign of weakness or retreat simply validates terrorist violence."
Neville Zapatero?
Zapatero's remarks came on the eve of a European Union conference of security ministers in Madrid to discuss strategies for combating terrorism and three days before a memorial service in Madrid to be attended by British Prime Minister Tony Blair. The newspaper El Mundo reported that German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and French President Jacques Chirac would also attend. Zapatero's incoming Socialist government on Sunday rejected an offer for talks from the Basque separatist group ETA. The rebel group praised Zapatero's plan to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq and said he should also drastically change policy on the issue of Basque autonomy.
Wait til ETA sets off a really big bomb, see what Zappie says then.
Although the devastating bombing of four crowded commuter trains was immediately dubbed "Europe's Sept. 11," there were key differences in the method of attack and the reaction. After Sept. 11, Bush outlined a five-front war on terrorism, but his key action was military: the dispatch of troops to Afghanistan.
The writer obviously doesn't pay much attention to diplonews...
In Spain, the operative word since the bombings has been paz, or surrender peace, placed on signs at demonstrations and in notes left at the train station near where the explosions occurred. The key action, stated by Zapatero immediately after his election victory, was not the deployment of troops but the decision to bring them home.
Sorta says it all, doesn't it?
Posted by:Steve White

#19  
Zapatero wants to alter war on terror
Yeah, he wants to lose.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut   2004-3-22 11:39:11 PM  

#18  Paz, huh? Wasn't it George Washington who said, "If you want peace, you must prepare for war?" It logically follows that at some point you may have to actually fight that war. That's the part Europe seems to have trouble with . . .

He's got a point about us needing better intelligence. Otherwise, how would we know where to drop the MOABs?
Posted by: The Doctor   2004-3-22 8:32:33 PM  

#17  SH, well, not quite--I'd say the Iranians flipped us the bird big time and then there were the Russians invading Afghanistan...
The Left knows how to say "Hello" to one of their own.
Posted by: Jen   2004-3-22 12:03:38 PM  

#16  The Spanish people are still our allies. Nobody flipped us the bird when we elected Jimmy Carter.

Not exactly.... I did for one.
But the point is taken... Spain will come around, and perhaps even France, it's just a matter of time for them. There's a bio bomb already slowly exploding and eventually it will be recognized.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-3-22 10:47:01 AM  

#15  GK -- He's probably been writing Kerry's campaign speeches.
Posted by: Tibor   2004-3-22 10:26:09 AM  

#14  The Spanish people are still our allies. Nobody flipped us the bird when we elected Jimmy Carter.

Have patience and let this play out. Remember that there was pre-election negotiating between the Socialists and ETA -Secret meeting with Eta hits Socialist poll hopes. If ETA assisted in the bombing - the tide will change rapidly and many national resistance groups will be in trouble.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-22 8:43:22 AM  

#13  Spain will much more aggressively collect actionable information about radicals who have been operating too freely in Spain

Mike -
thank you for clearly illustrating the point that I have been trying to get across for about a week. In fact, I just wrote on it under, The Hunt for Zougam's Cell.

That's all Spain is going to do - collect information. Big file drawers, with more and more links, more and more information. Small groups of guys with clearances, greedily hoarding the information so that they can make impressive powerpoint briefs that result in no action whatsoever - except further study. Never wanting to actually arrest anyone, because it will tip off the bad guys and hinder their ability to collect even more.

And after each bomb goes off, they will be happy, because with each bomb that goes off, it allows them to continue to collect more. So what good is that?

I'm convinced this is the biggest flaw in our intelligence services that we have. This lack of sharing and acting on valuable information, in the effort to acquire more. Certainly, it caused many deaths in both the USA on 911 and now in Spain.
Posted by: B   2004-3-22 7:39:33 AM  

#12  Remember that the Socialists used death squads against suspected ETA members in the 80's, so they haven't always been soft on terrorism
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2004-3-22 7:37:13 AM  

#11  Continental Europe is going to be indulging its instincts for timidity, caution and appeasement for the foreseeable future.

Maybe something will happen to knock them out of their delusional torpor, but for now they're out of the fight.

Paz!
Posted by: Dave D.   2004-3-22 6:46:47 AM  

#10  Msybe not the 'official' communist Party. The United Left (Izquierdo Unido) has been mentinoed as a partner in the Government for the Socialists.They amount to being the Greens, with a less Marxist programthan the official Commnist party
Posted by: Texican   2004-3-22 5:20:31 AM  

#9  
It seems to me that new Socialist government will soon do what Zaperto is now publicly declaring it will do. Spain will much more aggressively collect actionable information about radicals who have been operating too freely in Spain. Zaperto's political support for this effort will be broad and deep. There will be practically no Spanish political oppostion to this effort.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2004-3-22 3:22:25 AM  

#8  Question is, who's going to be the coalition partners for Zappie and the PSOE in the gov't?

Either regionalist Parties, or the Communist Party are the likely choices I believe.
Posted by: Paul Moloney   2004-3-22 3:19:29 AM  

#7  This fool is crazy.
I (almost) feel sorry for the Spanish people, but they had to have him.
Aznar and his PP did a great job, both in fighting terrorism and enlivening the Spanish economy.
They deserved to get reelected.
Après Zappo, la deluge.
Posted by: Jen   2004-3-22 2:28:31 AM  

#6  Iraq was a "great error" .... Good intelligence, not military action, is the key to success, Zapatero told El Pais. He's been reading Kerry's campaign speechs.
Posted by: GK   2004-3-22 2:01:05 AM  

#5  Senor Presedente, any time both ETA and al-Queda are praising you, that ought to tell you to re-evaluate your position. If you can't see that, then you are a hopeless fool. Good luck. Write when you find work.
Posted by: mojo   2004-3-22 12:43:05 AM  

#4  Ignore the fool, but be polite, and go our separate ways. When the next boom goes off, give them our sympathy.
Posted by: ed   2004-3-22 12:40:03 AM  

#3  This is rich. Zappo claims that he has an even better way than Bush to combat terrorism. Say that's so.

But then shouldn't the Spaniards be getting ready for even worse attacks from the Izzies? Why isn't Zappo advising his citizens to be more prepared than ever for Izzy terrorism?

Because he knows as well as you and me that his talk of combatting terrorism "more effectively" is just cover for running and hiding.... pathetic.
Posted by: WUZZALIB   2004-3-22 12:39:27 AM  

#2  Question is, who's going to be the coalition partners for Zappie and the PSOE in the gov't? They need at least two parties to join them, as I recall the final vote. If Zappie blunders his way into more ETA and al-Q violence there won't be need for impeachment, they'll just have a no-confidence vote.
Posted by: Steve White   2004-3-22 12:36:53 AM  

#1  Yeah....Zapatero just signed off on the death sentences of hundreds or thousands of folk inhabiting Spain as ETA blasts it way to Basque independence, and al-Qa'ida hurries up that Spaniardi withdrawal from Iraq with another mass casualty event or two. IF the Spaniards have an impeachment process, look for them to toss Zapatero before year's end.
Posted by: Anonymous   2004-3-22 12:33:12 AM  

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