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Britain
More Britons allege Guantanamo beatings
2004-03-14
Three Britons released from the Guantanamo Bay detention centre say they were regularly beaten while in US custody, backing similar allegations by two other British detainees.
I used to pop down twice a week to get in a few licks, myself...
Asif Iqbal, Ruhal Ahmed and Shafiq Rasul, friends from the town of Tipton in central England, say they were regularly mistreated from the moment they were handed over to US forces in Afghanistan in late 2001. After being taken to a US detention centre in the Afghan city of Kandahar, they were forced to kneel bent forwards for hours with their foreheads touching the ground, Mr Rasul told The Observer newspaper. "I lifted my head up slightly because I was really in pain. The sergeant came up behind me, kicked my legs from underneath me, then knelt on my back," he said. "They took me outside and searched me while one man was sitting on me, kicking and punching."
Oh, yeah. I'm convinced.
The three childhood friends, aged between 22 and 26, say they had gone to Pakistan for Mr Iqbal's wedding, arranged by his family, before going into Afghanistan to help arrange humanitarian aid.
"Ma'am, we're here with the Humanitarian Aid NGO. Here's your arms and ammunition. And, oh yeah. Here's some crackers."
There they were captured by the US-backed Northern Alliance and almost died after hundreds of prisoners were forced into lorry containers, the majority of whom suffocated.
Who the hell wrote this? The shipping containers would have been after the siege of Konduz. The majority didn't suffocate, unfortunately.
The trio's allegations of US mistreatment follow similar claims made earlier this week by two other British returnees. Tarek Dergoul, a 26-year-old former care worker from east London, said he had endured "botched medical treatment, interrogation at gunpoint, beatings and inhuman conditions". Another released Briton, 37-year-old website designer Jamal al-Harith, said in a newspaper interview that he had experienced beatings and degrading treatment during his two years at the jail.
Tell 'em about the hookers, Jamal...
US Secretary of State Colin Powell told a British television program that also interviewed Mr Harith that the charges are "unlikely". The five British men flew home on Tuesday from Camp Delta, the high-security camp in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba where the United States is holding about 650 suspected Al Qaeda and Taliban fighters. Despite their lengthy detention and although four of the men were briefly held by British police when they returned, none has been charged with any crimes.
Posted by:Fred

#46  I read the BBC article on this today, and the jihadi talked about being beat, tortured, interrogated with a gun to his head, etc.etc.
Then at the very end of the article he said that we wanted him to sign a paper saying that he went to Afghanistan for terrorism training before he left gitmo, but he refused and that was ok, we didnt make him sign it, and then he went home.
Yeah THAT makes sense, all that torture and beatings and gun-point interrorgations, you would think a person would be willing to sign a piece of paper in order to leave right?
I'm sure Daniel Pearl wished his exit from detention could have been as easy as the optional signing of a piece of paper.
Posted by: TS   2004-3-14 7:35:39 PM  

#45  Badges?

We don' need no stinking BADGES!!
Posted by: mojo   2004-3-14 5:55:56 PM  

#44  LOL. OP just broke the code.
Posted by: GK   2004-3-14 5:39:15 PM  

#43  SH - just because they have their collective heads up their asses doesn't mean they still don't feel the compulsion to brush their teeth.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-3-14 4:19:07 PM  

#42  SH, tooth paste up the rectum is just one of the weird things the AQ prisoners do to irritate their guards. From the 3 Bruces: In the most bizarre twist, Lance Corporal Devin Klebaur says a few have also been known to "put toothpaste in their ass." "What's the purpose?" I ask. "I'm not sure," he says, puzzled.
Posted by: GK   2004-3-14 3:56:12 PM  

#41  JCL, I don't get the toothpaste comment. Is it lubricant for gerbil insertion?
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-14 3:13:31 PM  

#40  And why is it only the "Britons" who tell these stories ? A drooling eager press camped outside their doors with checkbooks open, perhaps ?
Posted by: John C. Lately   2004-3-14 2:42:30 PM  

#39  So if Eleano ain't Eleano, who is he ? Someone go to the restaurant and look for a wild-eyed Arab working in the kitchen. Sir, do you have toothpaste in your ass ?
Posted by: John C. Lately   2004-3-14 2:40:58 PM  

#38  (snip some wildly creative grammar)
"[J]ust show how much suck the education in your fuckup country."

Too...much...irony...can't...catch...breath...
Posted by: Another Dan   2004-3-14 2:20:45 PM  

#37  This is a naked emperor story. It's my opinion that almost nobody actually believes this crap, it simply provides terror-apologists and totalitarian "peace activists" with another device for disrupting rational discourse while they exploit Islamo-fascist violence to move themselves into positions of power and control.
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy   2004-3-14 2:14:09 PM  

#36  SH - I was reading an old load and didn't notice 'til now. Nor did I intend any criticism of Fred et al.
Posted by: PBMcL   2004-3-14 2:03:50 PM  

#35  PBMcL, I think Fred is rationalizing the categories one by one. See Fred's last comment on the Ellie's post that was deleted. He isn't asleep at the wheel. I imagine that the 5-mile comment will be shortened in due time.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-14 1:52:51 PM  

#34  Where are the adults (Fred, Dan, or the AoS) today? I'm with OldSpook (#27). Smack down the trolls.
Posted by: PBMcL   2004-3-14 1:44:44 PM  

#33  You know, our Hummvees need more protection. We could make it easier on our guys if there was an additional level of protection across the hood of our vehicles. We've seen how well St. Pancake protected the Paleostingies with herself. I propose we strap dear ol' Eleano across the hood of a Hummvee in the Triangle as a "human shield". Any seconds???
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-3-14 1:28:39 PM  

#32  I just read a few lines of Elanor's post. Nothing like a general assembly resolution to truly distill some hypocracy. I wonder what votes were recorded for compliant regimes headed by Sadaam, the Ayatollahs, Assad, Castro, Kim, Baby Doc ...?
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-14 1:07:20 PM  

#31  I see only two important points to base my decision on. The Red Thingy says there were no beatings. The stories from the detainees are becoming increasingly simular as they read each others comments in the media.

Many of the charges are so extremely unlikely that the credibility of the same clown is shot when he makes claims of more mundane cruelty. I don't think that it is very likely that local hookers are passing post-spy ring security checks so that they can participate in the interrogations.

I find the stories that the prisoners were exposing themselves to and masturbating in front of women guards. I find such abhorrent behavior is consistent with the way moslem fundementalist crazies treat women.
Posted by: Super Hose   2004-3-14 12:40:23 PM  

#30  In human conditions
THEY WHERE BEING JAILED IN PARADISE
AND IF AFGANISTAN ISN'T A SHITHOLE THEN WHAT IS?
Posted by: smokeysinse   2004-3-14 12:39:22 PM  

#29  In human conditions
THEY WHERE BEING JAILED IN PARADISE
AND IF AFGANISTAN ISN'T A SHITHOLE THEN WHAT IS?
Posted by: smokeysinse   2004-3-14 12:30:41 PM  

#28  This is all plagiarised from a few sites like the following: http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Articles9/Engel_Jew-and-Me.htm

and
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/sassoon.htm

Posted by: Lou   2004-3-14 11:51:34 AM  

#27  Fred: the S/N ratio is dropping massively since we got this eurotrash here and the Serb Nazi posting. Please institute a ban on their IP, or else let your moderators simply delete their posts immediately upon discovery. They have proven themselves to only be interseted in flooding the boards with large incoherent posts, and contributin nothing to either side of the discussions here. I know its made me come here a bit less becasue I dont have time to wade thru garbage - which is what they may be after.

In short, they've broken the rules egregiously in an effort to destroy the utility of this website. Time for them to bear the consequences, not you.
Posted by: OldSpook   2004-3-14 11:44:21 AM  

#26  Whoever this guy is, he's not Italian. I took Italian language for a year, and, even if "Eleano" could not speak a word of English (how can he run a restaurant?) his attempts at English STILL wouldn't carry the "organization" and "syntax" he displays. My guess is he's an Islamotroll. I've heard some Arabs pretend to be Italian when they're in the US to avoid detection.
Posted by: ex-lib   2004-3-14 11:43:20 AM  

#25  Whatever happened to civil and well reasoned discourse? Fred, may I suggest that you invoke your .... right to delete offensive or off-topic posts without warning! This eleanor carbonhead (or whoever he, she, it is) is a bandwidth bandit and should be permanently banned from RB. Can we expect that next eleano will copy and paste all 114 suras from the Qur'an? I aint interested.
Posted by: GK   2004-3-14 11:06:12 AM  

#24  Geesh, eleano.
That's just sad.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-3-14 9:25:08 AM  

#23  
they had gone to Pakistan for Mr Iqbal's wedding

Where is his wife now?
.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester   2004-3-14 9:18:16 AM  

#22  just show how much suck the education in your fuckup country

There's the door.
Posted by: Anonymous   2004-3-14 9:15:04 AM  

#21  The menus weren't in Italian. It was gibberish,
Posted by: ed   2004-3-14 9:10:51 AM  

#20  Begining to think our little Ranburg is going to have to hire a night watchman.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-3-14 8:57:41 AM  

#19  comments like #9 should get your troll ass thrown out "Eleano" - buh-bye
Posted by: Frank G   2004-3-14 8:45:32 AM  

#18  Would a successful restaurant owner write like a 6 yr old? I don't think so.
Posted by: Frank G   2004-3-14 8:04:11 AM  

#17  Camboni,
If you love the palestinians so much I suggest you go spend your fucking vacation cooking Pasta
for the fucking Hamas in the gaza trip
I have a great recipy for you
HUMUS A LA CAMBONI:
1 pound tortellini
1 pound Chick peas
1 pound SEMTEX
2 Palestinian suicidal fanatics.

mix all ingredients well, look for a place full of civilians, children and elderly people (i.e. those who cannot fight back).
EXPLODE , EXPLODE, EXPLODE !!!

You idiotic little restauranter
I wish I could analy feed your arse with some of your pasta(uncooked).
up yours


Posted by: The Dodo   2004-3-14 8:02:26 AM  

#16  He looked up a pointless and out-dated UN resolution for me? I'm so happy!
Posted by: Charles   2004-3-14 7:52:17 AM  

#15  Disregard. He posted with his real name. Information on who this guy is, is here
Posted by: badanov   2004-3-14 7:12:57 AM  

#14  Fred, this Eleano character has commented before with his real name, FYI. I goggled him the first time he posted, and I could do it again iffin I had his full name.

This clown is a restaurantuer in California.
Posted by: badanov   2004-3-14 7:09:21 AM  

#13  Elano

Don't tell me you are moved by the plighyt of the Palestinains because there are people in far worse plight than the self-inflicted plight the Palestinians are in.

Now I know that very, very deep in you thetre is a good guy but you are frustrated because girls don't look at you but this has a solution. Wash yourself (girls don't like smelly hippies), read some poetry instead of the Volkischer Beobachter, make some sport until you get rid of your excess weight, buy some Viagra (it seems like you souild need it) and then go to the places where girls can be found instead of hanging at your keybord.

Have a nice day.
Posted by: JFM   2004-3-14 6:12:52 AM  

#12  ah this new troll is a real hoot, bet the sicko thinks Saddam and his Sons should have been left in power too, where they can carry on raping 11,12, and 13 year old girls like the fucking nonces they were. You obviously pro-peodophilia and probably a real life nonce yourself, i pity you
Posted by: Jon Shep U.K   2004-3-14 5:23:43 AM  

#11  Eleano:

You actually expect us to take something adopted by the UN General Assembly seriously? I'm surprised principle 40 didn't blame the JOOOOS for everything bad under the sun, and therefore why this resolution had to be created.
Posted by: sg   2004-3-14 5:09:29 AM  

#10  Most of the 'terrorists' were made up in an art program. Half a face, flop it, and paste. They aren't real.
Posted by: ProfessionalArtist   2004-3-14 4:58:56 AM  

#9  hey Phil:
moron is this faghetty cock sucker father that born you, and the wore mother that shit you out
Eleano
Ps why dont you bang your son ass you jew cock sucker
Posted by: Eleano   2004-3-14 4:58:24 AM  

#8  filthy little Islamoids like this should be tied up, doused in pigs blood and be dispalyed in an open to the public prison where all those concerned about thier poor little 'human rights' can come and cheer them on while all those who hate these fucking animal traiters like 95% of us can pitch rocks at them and generally torment and harass them. It amy sound simplistic and barbaric but hell it'd sure be a deterance to all the traiterous scum out there. I can't wait for the next batch of traiters we find in a combat zone, hopefully they will be exicuted on the spot and thier corpse fed to pigs. Backpackers, why do they hate us?
Posted by: Jon Shep U.K   2004-3-14 4:39:47 AM  

#7  You're quite right Eleano - they should have been shot in the back of the head in a football stadium, not captured, fed, watered, medically treated and all the other things the US did.

Bad US!

Personally, as far as I'm concerned, these people are not British, and I would have much preferred it if they'd been killed in Afghanistan whilst performing their "humanitarian work". Wankers.
Posted by: Tony (UK)   2004-3-14 4:38:19 AM  

#6  Can someone please delete this crap and ban this moron.
Posted by: Phil B   2004-3-14 4:38:02 AM  

#5  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: redsnapper TROLL   2004-3-14 4:30:26 AM  

#4  

hey Charles
your demented guttural farts like:
used to pop down twice a week to get in a few lick, myself
Ma'am, we're here with the Humanitarian Aid NGO.
Here's your arms and ammunition. And, oh yeah. HeTell I'm about the hookers, Jamal... re's some crackers."
just show how much suck the education in your fuckup country

that so call terrorist imprisoned with not due process, using lunatic and retarded phrases like ''UNLAWFUL COMBATANT
by the most retarded president in American history
are detainees captured in a war theatre and UNLAWFUL detained

Posted by: Eleano   2004-3-14 4:21:46 AM  

#3  Sounds like time for some axehandle debriefing - two swift whacks to the face (one at eye level, one just above the chin) and three in the crotch. Use white ash - it doesn't break as easily, and if it does splinter, they're a bi$$$ to remove.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2004-3-14 1:47:02 AM  

#2  yawn - in other news, jessie jackson claims the white man is keeping him down.
Posted by: B   2004-3-14 1:45:44 AM  

#1  Yeah, terrorists are really credible witnesses.
Posted by: Charles   2004-3-14 12:39:29 AM  

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