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Australian MP wants gov’t to act against mufti
2004-02-18
A senior Liberal MP today urged the Federal Government to consider action against the leader of Australia’s Muslims for praising Islamic suicide bombers and calling for a holy war against Israel. The Mufti of Australia, Sheik Taj Aldin Al-hilali, made the comments in recent sermons and interviews in Lebanon, according to an internet dispatch by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI).
That was quick...
Christopher Pyne, parliamentary secretary to the Minister for Family and Community Services, said he was appalled and horrified by Sheik Alhilali’s alleged support for violence. But a spokesman for the Sydney-based Mufti said he had been taken out of context. According to MEMRI, the Mufti told an interviewer in Lebanon he supported suicide attacks by Muslim martyrs. "We are proud of the Islamic resistance in Palestine, Lebanon, Kashmir...," Sheik Alhilali is reported to have said. "We support the resistance and support, with all our might, the martyrdom operations carried out by the Palestinian liberation movements, operations that are a legitimate act against the cruel occupation, according to all international norms and conventions."
Uhuh... And what was the qualifying context? Looks pretty straightforward to me...
The Mufti is also reported to have called in a sermon in Sidon for a jihad, or holy war, against Israel, adding: "The war waged by the US and Israel against the Muslims is a cruel war aimed at annihilating the (Islamic) nation." The Mufti’s spokesman in Sydney, Keysar Trad, said MEMRI had taken the Muslim leader out of context. "The Mufti is a proponent of peace and peaceful solutions to any conflict," he told ABC radio.
"Except for when it comes to jihad, of course..."
"I spoke to him today and he assured me that the context in which he made his message was not in the way that it was reported by these people." Mr Trad said the Mufti believed Muslim resistance fighters may target occupying military forces, but not civilians. He said the Mufti was not urging people to carry out suicide bombings.
"He is saying, let’s not condemn them because these people are making a major sacrifice to protect their country," said Mr Trad, of the Lebanese Muslim Association. Nor was the Mufti calling for a war against Israel.
That's not the way his comments read...
"He was not so much calling for a jihad in the nature of war, but in the nature of what will get that country to respect the United Nations resolutions." But Mr Pyne said the Mufti’s reported comments were a "very serious matter". "There is never any circumstances that mitigate violence and terror against civilians," he told ABC radio. "I am appalled, horrified and shocked.....by this newest example of Sheik Alhilali’s extremism, which has no place in this country." Mr Pyne said the government should examine the Mufti’s comments to see what action should be taken against him. "I’d be very surprised if there wasn’t some kind of official response."
Posted by:TS & Tipper

#17  Therapist, I assure you I know quite well what a troll is. You may have wanted to show off your l33t linkage skills or something, but in this case, quite redundant.

And .com, I don't need to go into hyperdrive mode -- I simply add to my mental list of people I no longer need to show a hint of respect to, since they've shown me none.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-2-19 2:07:18 AM  

#16  Just remember Aris. There are legitimate targets in this war. It isn't just a police/justice thing anymore.
Posted by: Lucky   2004-2-19 12:37:36 AM  

#15  Careful, Ship - Fred will have to send you a bill if Aris goes into hyper-keyboard drive...
Posted by: .com   2004-2-18 6:55:23 PM  

#14  Now that was uncalled for Therapist. He's our troll.
Posted by: Shipman   2004-2-18 6:51:49 PM  

#13  UseNet, WWW, what's an acronym among "friends" eh?

Perhaps Aris, recently whining incessantly about being labeled a troll, needs a little education regards the actual definition of the term.

Of course, he doesn't care about "fact", something totally foreign to one so enamored with his opinions and self-image as moral superior and guide to the great unwashed, only about his narcissistic pretenses - of which there are too many to recount on Rantburg's bandwidth.
Posted by: therapist   2004-2-18 6:28:28 PM  

#12  Robert Crawford>
The way I've heard it, a government forfeits its rule when it violates the constitution which so made it government. Otherwise the problem is with the constitution itself; something which I don't believe any of you are suggesting.

Danny can of course express his feelings about whether the government acts in a sufficient manner to protect the people. He can express it publicly in protests, he can express it through secret ballot -- both of which allowed in free societies. But what he can't be allowed to express it with is with the lynchmobs which he still seems to me to have been suggesting ("kill these islamic bastards whenever we see them").

And btw, Danny, I don't remember anything anywhere in my post suggesting that I care about the motivation of people hating us. Would you be kind enough to indicate to me where you found even a hint of such an interest on my part? Anywhere at all?

Thanks very much. Or I'll ofcourse consider you as yet another idiot who needs to stereotype his enemies -- I've gotten accustomed in it in Rantburg, where I'm assumed to be gay in discussions about gay marriages, and where I'm assumed to be of "they why do they hate us?" mentality in these discussions.

Or, as I said, I'll be assuming you to be an idiot, with somewhat greater justification on my part.

Cheers.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-2-18 5:35:21 PM  

#11  Oops, subconscious.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-2-18 4:25:41 PM  

#10  When Robert steps in I know I'm on the side of the angels:)

You don't understand us Aris. We are descended from the world's malcontents. Minding and taking care of our own business is imprinted into our national consciousness.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-2-18 4:25:08 PM  

#9  You either obey the rules of your democratic country which means that you *don't* just go on your own initiative and kill people, even if they morally support the opposite side, or you are yourself at war with your democratic country.

Except, Aris, if the government refuses to act in any way to protect the people from a clear danger. Then the government has forfeited its rule and sovereignty falls back to the people.

Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-2-18 3:20:11 PM  

#8  You're absolutely right whitecollar redneck. aris seems to be more of the same old problem....."Oh dear, what are we going to do? They hate us so...why oh why?!!!" Well, I for one, don't give a damn why they hate us. I just know I'll not hide my head in the sand while they murder my family. If one of those islamic bastards comes around here starting trouble in my little corner of East Texas, they'll be carrying him off in a teacup.

I too am civil to everyone, and expect the same in return. I start no trouble, but I will damn sure end it.

It seems as if aris uses the north korean definition of "democratic".
Posted by: Danny   2004-2-18 2:21:51 PM  

#7  according to you "Democratic rule of law"="Islamofascism"? Funny -- I thought it was the opposite.

Sorry pal, but Islamofascism isn't compatible with our way of life. If they want to hate Jews and infidels, and call them (and us) names, I can handle that. If they want to call us things like the "Great Satan", I can live with that. If they want to stand on a corner and rail on and on about how depraved Western society is, I can handle that too. When it goes further than that, as in calls to arms or directly calling for the killing of others with the blessing of their religious figures, that's just a bit too far for my tastes.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-2-18 2:19:39 PM  

#6  I believe Danny and BaR are talking about a little "southern Justice". A variant of which my brother and I practiced on some white trash my sister got mixed up with over a decade ago. We didn't overthrow any gov't but he got the message anyway. I believe in being civil to everyone but when I am dealing with people out to destroy what I hold dear the gloves come off.
Posted by: whitecollar redneck   2004-2-18 1:39:05 PM  

#5  Bomb-a-rama, according to you "Democratic rule of law"="Islamofascism"? Funny -- I thought it was the opposite.

And Danny, I've seen this "take care of the problem of politicians we don't like" attitude in my own country -- people that acted on it we called them terrorists, and this year we shoved them behind bars.

You either obey the rules of your democratic country which means that you *don't* just go on your own initiative and kill people, even if they morally support the opposite side, or you are yourself at war with your democratic country.

What you are suggesting, whether you understand it or not, is the overthrow of Western democracy. Which I find to be a price too steep for me to pay in order to be defended against Islamic foes.
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-2-18 1:19:15 PM  

#4  If it's indeed coming, then I bet I'll be standing on opposite sides of the battle than you. See you then.

Not a problem. If you find Islamofascism attractive and are willing to fight for it, then at the very least have your last will and testament in order. No use leaving things to the state that your relatives could use.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-2-18 1:08:30 PM  

#3  No aris, I'm suggesting that if our governments are going to continue to kiss the asses of these terrorists in the name of "tolerance", then we have no recourse but to take care of the problem ourselves. If you'll be on the opposite side from that, then see you there....abdul.
Posted by: Danny   2004-2-18 1:03:06 PM  

#2  Danny> You mean the revolution that's gonna overthrow democratic rule of law as opposed to a mob hunting down people we don't like and killing them?

If it's indeed coming, then I bet I'll be standing on opposite sides of the battle than you. See you then. :-)
Posted by: Aris Katsaris   2004-2-18 12:41:48 PM  

#1  I guess it's going to be left up to the private citizens in our various countries, to kill these islamic bastards, wherever we see them. Since our governments are willing to be "tolerant" of them, the only recourse is for "We The People" to take action. It's coming folks.........
Posted by: Danny   2004-2-18 10:10:49 AM  

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