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John Rhys-Davies (Gimli) accused of racism over remarks
2004-01-19
When do you suppose all of the celebrities who defended the Dixie Chicks and continue bemoaning US as exercising a "war on dissent" are going to rally to his cause?
ONE of the biggest Welsh movie stars in Hollywood kicked off a race storm last night after making anti-Muslim remarks. Outraged Islamic leaders in Wales demanded an immediate apology from Lord Of The Rings actor John Rhys-Davies, who claimed an increase in Europe’s Muslim population was a "demographic catastrophe" threatening "Western civilisation".
The politically correct, who have advanced to the stage of not needing thought police, would point out that it's very welcome because we haven't had many turbans among our population for all these years. Somehow, importing large numbers of people opposed to the basic tenets of your own civilization is supposed to make it better. I haven't advanced to that stage yet...
The 59-year-old Ammanford actor’s comments were originally made in an interview with American journalists from World magazine, but this week they were used by the far right British National Party in a leaflet to campaign for support among cinema-goers. Last night Rhys-Davies stood by his views which follow Robert Kilroy-Silk’s inflammatory anti-Arab column. But he criticised the BNP for hijacking his words for their own ends.
Kilroy's column was inflammatory mostly to Islamists and their fellow travellers. The rest of us find it a mere statement of fact...
In the interview, Rhys-Davies, who plays heroic dwarf Gimli and recorded the voice of computer-animated character Treebeard in the Hollywood blockbuster, interprets Tolkien’s story of good versus evil as a metaphor for modern race relations. He said: "There is a demographic catastrophe happening in Europe that nobody wants to talk about, that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially.
Gee. Golly. That's just what happened. It's terrible when you're so easily offended, but what can you do?
And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent. I think that Tolkien says that some generations will be challenged. And if they do not rise to meet that challenge, they will lose their civilisation. That does have a real resonance with me."

The 6ft tall actor, who wore facial prosthetics and performed on his knees to portray the 4ft 2in dwarf in Lord Of The Rings, even says he is aware that his beliefs could end his career, which has seen him star in the Indiana Jones films and James Bond movie The Living Daylights. "I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture," said Rhys-Davies, who divides his time between his homes in Los Angeles and the Isle of Man. "Many do not understand how precarious Western civilisation is and what a joy it is. From it, we get real democracy. From it, we get the sort of intellectual tolerance that allows me to propound something that may be completely alien to you. I’m burying my career so substantially in these interviews that it’s painful. But I think there are some questions that demand honest answers."

The BNP reproduced some of his comments on their website, where they ask people to print them off and distribute them at showings of Lord Of The Rings. BNP leader Nick Griffin last night defended using Rhys-Davies’ words for their "Stand, Men Of The West" leaflet, which he claimed was popular with film-goers in the Valleys. "He is not a racist in terms of race hate and nor are we," he said. "We just feel his views dovetail with our message as the comments in the interview quoted reflect our opinions too." Rhys-Davies said it was "distressing to find yourself on a BNP leaflet", adding: "But on reflection, these people can’t really do any great harm unless you allow them to."

The actor’s over-the-top views were criticised by Tolkien Society publicity officer Ian Collier. He said: "The Tolkien Society is not a politically-aligned organisation and we do not in any way condone the use of his works to support messages of racial hate, just as Tolkien himself objected strongly to the use of Northern Myth by the Nazis.
There's not a message of racial hatred in what the guy said. He's stating facts. Defend your civilization or lose it. If you lose it, you'll be required to defend the caliphate.
"There is documentary evidence that Tolkien did not agree with these views and we are saddened to see this kind of misrepresentation occurring."
I don't know if he did or he didn't. What's happening today, though?
The views were greeted with contempt by the MP for Rhys-Davies’ former home town, Ammanford. "I condemn these comments as being racist and ill-informed," said Adam Price, Plaid Cymru MP for Carmarthen East & Dinefwr.
Point out where he's ill-informed. For that matter, point out where he's being racist.
"It is obvious that this man who now lives in the lap of luxury in Hollywood is out of touch with realities of the nature of present day European society. His attack on Muslims and comments about the threat that they pose to Western society shows his ignorance of world events and the true teachings of Islam. Ammanford people will feel very let down by a man with such close connections to the town."
I'd say Mr. Price is showing his ignorance. He's obviously not paying attention to what's been going on in the world around him, to include his district...
Last night Mohammed Javed, chairman of the Muslim Society for Wales, said: "We want an apology. This could stir up racial hatred in society. It’s ignorance, he should learn more about Islam and the religions before he makes these comments. They are based on his ignorance and nothing else."
But he still hasn't pointed out what the guy's wrong...
Chief executive of the All Wales Ethnic Minority Association (Awema) Naz Malik agreed. He said: "I do not know why he has said these things. If 50 per cent of people in Holland under 18 are Muslims in 16 years time, so what? In Britain the fastest growing race is mixed race, people of dual heritage. It is a cause for great celebration that our cultures are mixed. We live in a global society - we celebrate what is good in cultures and challenge what is bad in civilisations. Does he ever listen to any music other than European? Does he eat Indian food? Does he ever appreciate art other than that from Europe? I feel sorry for this actor because he must feel very insecure about his future. I feel sorry for his close mindedness."
That's an interesting take on things. Does Naz Malik, I wonder, eat roast beef with mustard? Does he listen to Purcell? Does he appreciate English and Welsh art? Does he visit Conway Castle? Has he been to Coventry? Does he have a few words of Welsh? Does he know who Titus Oates was?
Wales Friends of Searchlight’s Ian Titherington accused the BNP of hijacking the actor’s comments. He said: "Tolkien’s Ring Trilogy is generally considered to be the best fantasy story ever written. It really shows how desperate the BNP are, to try to make political capital out of a cinematic re-production of fantasy."
It's the usual case of politically correct dog-pile-on-the-rabbit.

LAST NIGHT we spoke to John Rhys-Davies from his Hollywood home and asked him to defend his opinions. Here’s what he said:
I BELIEVE in racial equality not racial discrimination. All I was commenting on was that there are cultural changes taking place in Europe that I consider to be unacceptable.

The fact that a minister of the French government has to fly to Cairo to talk with one of the religious heads in one of the mosques to get his approval for a ban on headscarves can be seen in two ways. One, is how wonderfully culturally sensitive. The other, it seems to give an authority to a wholly unelected figure well outside Europe’s jurisdiction.

I am really proud to be living in a society that accepts women as our equals, that accepts civilised discourse that allows people to hold different opinions without coming to any act of violence.

Here in America when that earthquake happened in Iran the reaction of everyone I knew was horror and dismay, the reaction of everyone when they heard that the old woman had been brought out alive long after they thought there was anyone there was absolute awe at the extraordinary capacity of the human spirit to survive. Contrast that with people jumping up and down and clapping at the 9/11 disaster in certain countries. I don’t think that Western society is opposed to Islamic society at all. I think a very important part of Islamic society is opposed to Western society.
There's the key, of course.
It is time that ordinary Muslims stood up to be counted. Most societies can benefit from a good stirring of genes, but most cultures are tolerant of each other. I do not see Buddhists throwing bombs into Christian churches, I do not see Christians blowing up Hindu temples, I do not see those sorts of challenges.

When we are prepared to overlook certain things because we don’t want to rock the boat, this is wrong. The greatest act of racism is to expect that other people will not behave according to your values and standards. Yes, I am for dead, (traditional) white male culture. It’s pretty damn good, pretty damn marvellous, pretty wonderful. That’s not to exclude other cultures, but it’s not to diminish mine. I’m sorry that might be perceived as infringing some sort of racial taboo, it’s certainly not intended to be a racial remark.
I'm still puzzled at the ability of the opposition to drag race into it at all. The effort itself doesn't surprise me, just how often people let them get away with it. Shows they're not really paying attention.
We are losing the ability to sit down and be able to have a tolerable argument. I do not want to see a society where, should I ever have any, my granddaughters have their fingernails pulled out because they are wearing nail varnish. I hope that my friends and relatives in Wales are not going to be shocked by what they are going to read about.
But if they are, it's because they're not paying attention...
Do not brand me a racist because I am most certainly not. But I will stand by this: Western Christianised Europe has values and experience that is worth defending.
Posted by:Dan Darling

#22  How do you say "bite me" in Welsh?
Posted by: mojo   2004-1-19 10:36:53 PM  

#21  He was drowned out by the LLL Students for a Democratic Society. Even though many told these hecklers to shut up, they ruined the speech.

It's amazing how the idea of "free speech" is a really big deal to a leftist until it's a conservative individual that's speaking.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-1-19 5:59:16 PM  

#20  Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd aimênu!

Get 'em, Gimli!
Posted by: Mike   2004-1-19 3:32:06 PM  

#19  Damn AP that's a downer. Look at it this way tho.... it's a death spiral regardless of local victories for the Islamist... they don't know the difference between an 9/16 wrench, a 15 mm wrench and a winch. They haven't figured out that to keep the presses running you need to re-ink the stage from time to time.... they have't figured out that an F100 likes to be loved about once every 4 flying hours. They can't grow wheat, they have no clue about maize they frightened of hogs and dawgs don't like 'em. Phef... this is competition?
Posted by: Shipman   2004-1-19 3:07:52 PM  

#18  I remember when Senator John Tower from Texas came to UC Berkeley in the 1960s to talk at Sproul Plaza. Being a Vietnam Hawk in Congress, he was not popular, to put it nicely, but he was invited to speak. He was drowned out by the LLL Students for a Democratic Society. Even though many told these hecklers to shut up, they ruined the speech.

We are at a crossroads in western Civilization. Rhys-Davies is a very courageous person to speak up. The Islamists will use oppression and discrimination buzzwords to get in power, then they will stomp everyone's asses with their abuse of power. The LLL has been too comfortable living off the fat of the land to see that their heads will be on a block when Sharia comes to town.
Posted by: Alaska Paul   2004-1-19 2:39:09 PM  

#17  TPF

Hey now. I like penguins. BTW, my name means a little blue or white-flippered penguin.

Rhys-Davies has made a stand, but I'm not holding my breath for the people who stood behind the Blixie Chix to stand for his right to say it.
Posted by: Korora   2004-1-19 1:10:18 PM  

#16  Shep! Does that Kilroy chap have a chance at a daytime radio show? Is there an independant network that has that sort of programming?
Posted by: Lucky   2004-1-19 12:35:32 PM  

#15  Hmm... I wonder... do Orcs seeth?
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-1-19 12:10:20 PM  

#14  looks to me like this dwarf fellows right on with what he says and isn't it wonderful that some one else is speaking thier mind on the subject of the Islamo invasion of the west.I'm hoping Kilroy has started off a new era of un-PC ness that'll wake the dozy leftys up and make them open thier eyes to whats going on around them.All hail Dwarf Man!
Posted by: Jon Shep U.K   2004-1-19 11:51:48 AM  

#13  "It is obvious that this man who now lives in the lap of luxury in Hollywood is out of touch with realities of the nature of present day European society."

So what does Mr. Price think about an individual in the U.K. defending his/her property/person with deadly force? Is Mr. Price "in touch with realities of the nature of present day European society" or not?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2004-1-19 11:07:17 AM  

#12  I wonder how Davies and that leftist nut viggo mortensen got along. Bet there wasn't much dialogue other than what the script required. I'm glad he has the stones to stand up and say what needs to be said, hope it's not too late.

Problem with a rational discussion about 'islam' is that the loony left is trying to reenact the 'civil rights movement' over and over again. And it's becoming more apparent that all their causes are pretty much B.S.
Posted by: 4thInfVet   2004-1-19 10:47:53 AM  

#11  And when the hell did Islam become a race to begin with?

Good question Dan. Why is it Muslims can say all the hateful things about christians and other
religions (Kill! Kill! Kill!) yet expect us to farking apologize for pointing something out. What was so bad about what John said?

that we daren’t bring up because we are so cagey about not offending people racially. And rightly we should be. But there is a cultural thing as well. - John Rhys-Davies gets it.

RC, You are right. Remarking that skirts are too short is sexism. Saying that you dont agree with Homosexuallity is 'Homophobic' (it isn't - its a choice and opinion). Saying that you dont agree with Islam is 'Racism'. Defending yourself after 9/11 is Imperialism. 2 + 2 = 5. etc...
Posted by: CrazyFool   2004-1-19 9:29:41 AM  

#10  and it's being done on purpose

Robert, you are exactly right as well.
The leftist elites no doubt think its doubleplusgood the majority of the great unwashed don't get that the ability to express an suposedly unpoplular opinion gets more difficult ever year.

It is a fact that Islamists are a plague on western civilization.This is a battle of civilizations,fortunately some of us like Rhys-Davies recognize it.
Posted by: JerseyMike   2004-1-19 8:37:11 AM  

#9  We are losing the ability to sit down and be able to have a tolerable argument.

He has this exactly right, and it's being done on purpose.
Posted by: Robert Crawford   2004-1-19 8:13:02 AM  

#8  Chinditz - So present the evidence. We would be happy to see it.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-1-19 5:39:30 AM  

#7  "By 2020, 50 per cent of the children in Holland under the age of 18 will be of Muslim descent."

I live in Holland and keep seeing these numbers again and again on the internet,and they are crap. They come from a census that was held in one of our biggest city's called Rotterdam in 1999 and have since been thoroughly debunked.
Posted by: chinditz   2004-1-19 4:20:49 AM  

#6  TPF - 'exile to Antartica.' Nah! way to nice a place, and I think they will do far worse things to penguins than murdering them - ever noticed how much muslim women in the full outfit look like penguins.

I suggest North Korea.
Posted by: phil_b   2004-1-19 2:34:02 AM  

#5  Lucky--

I am all in favor myself of making it illegal for adherants of one religion to "blaspheme" another, provided the penalties are extremely stiff-- say, exile to Antartica.

I predict that within a couple of months, Christians and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus and atheists would be chatting among themselves, all the Mooslims off murdering penguins.
Posted by: TPF   2004-1-19 2:07:30 AM  

#4  Does he ever listen to any music other than European? Does he eat Indian food? Does he ever appreciate art other than that from Europe?

Yeah well what can you do... so many nations, so little time.
Posted by: Rafael   2004-1-19 1:51:34 AM  

#3  He and sofia sideshow had an interesting conversation, IIRC. Search his archives. And he's laughing all the way to the bank.

Dan - race encompasses all now.
Posted by: Anonymous2U   2004-1-19 1:49:21 AM  

#2   I heard that interview and he did an outstanding job, certainly he's better informed than most of the anti-war celebrities that one encounters, he even cited the Habbush memo from the Telegraph article to an anti-war caller and explained to him who Abu Nidal was and why it was so disconcerting if he did indeed meet with Mohammed Atta.

And when the hell did Islam become a race to begin with?
Posted by: Dan Darling   2004-1-19 1:19:29 AM  

#1  Heard Rhys-Davies on Michael Medveds radio show this past week. He gets it. He outright pointed his finger at the submission aspects of the RoP.

What about a new law that makes blasphemy speech against a religion an illegal offense. Would that be the end or what?

I say "pincer the bastards!"
Posted by: Lucky   2004-1-19 1:09:57 AM  

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