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Iraq
Karbala Grenade Attack Kills Three Polish Soldiers
2003-10-17
Three international military policemen were killed in a midnight clash in Karbala, witnesses said Friday. Conflicting reports said the dead were either Polish or American soldiers. The U.S. command in Baghdad said it had no immediate information on the bloodshed. Gunfire broke out again Friday morning in the same area, around the offices of a senior Shiite Muslim cleric in Karbala, where rivalries among Shiite factions have produced sporadic violence in recent weeks. An armored personnel carrier appeared to be firing as screaming men, women and children fled for cover. Shiite gunmen defiantly shouted "Allahu Akbar," or "God is Great."
This was at midnight? Why were the women and kiddies out watching the festivities at midnight?
Iraqi policemen who were at the scene said a fellow officer also was killed in the firefight. A gunman who claimed that he took part said seven of his comrades were killed in the clash. This man, Malik Kazim, said it involved an apparent joint American-Polish patrol of armored vehicles and Humvees that passed at about 11:45 p.m. by the offices of a local senior Shiite Muslim cleric, Mahmoud al-Hassani, which were guarded by at least 20 gunmen. The report could not be confirmed.
So the gunnies thought the Good Guys were coming for them and opened fire?
Since Karbala has been under a 9 p.m. curfew since Tuesday, the international patrol ordered the gunmen inside the offices, they refused and a gunbattle ensued, Kazim said. He said intense gunfire lasted about a half-hour. Dozens of bullet holes, some large-caliber, could be seen in walls in the area Friday morning. A Shiite participant in the gunbattle, Sheik Hazem Saadi, said the dead were Americans. Iraqi policemen who were at the scene said they believed those killed were Polish military policemen.
Posted by:Murat

#9  Al-Jazeera has a more reasonal account. No, really!:
The fiercest attack was in the central Iraqi city of Karbala, where three US soldiers and two Iraqi policemen were killed in an overnight ambush. A US army spokesman said its troops had been ambushed in Karbala. "At approximately 11.30 pm (20:30 GMT) yesterday a routine Iraqi patrol accompanied by American military police was attacked by Iraqis from the roof of buildings in the vicinity of the al-Abbas mosque," the spokesman added. The US-led occupation army blamed bodyguards of a local Shia cleric for the attack. "The attackers, who are bodyguards of religious leader Mahmud al-Hassani, used rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 rifles. They were about 20 to 30 attackers," the US army spokesman said. "It was an unprovoked attack. It was an ambush," the spokesman added.

So it was a Iragi police patrol with US backup, 3 US soldiers and 2 Iraqi cops dead. I'm thinking al-Sadr's time is about up. So do the Iraqi's:

AP - Iraq's foreign minister has a warning for a young Shiite Muslim cleric -- his private militia will be disarmed by force if necessary.

It's necessary.
Posted by: Steve   2003-10-17 11:47:34 AM  

#8  Yeah, I do. In 'Nam, we weren't ALLOWED to win, whereas after Pearl Harbor, we nuked 2 Jap cities.

Think about it.
Posted by: mojo   2003-10-17 11:14:42 AM  

#7  If this speed of casualties keeps on, I think that Bush will get a lot of headaches during the election

When the casualty figures approach that of the Vietnam War, then there's going to be real trouble. Until then, the media's military body count is nothing more than an attempt to generate hysteria over U.S. involvment in Iraq.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama   2003-10-17 11:09:27 AM  

#6  Those casualties where for defending our own country not during attack/occupation of another country JFM. I guess you see no difference Pearl harbor and Vietnam?
Posted by: Murat   2003-10-17 10:58:55 AM  

#5  Murat


How about your own set of casualties in Kurdish Mountain Turks territory?
Did it alter the result of elections? Did you
have any elections?

Posted by: JFM   2003-10-17 10:43:07 AM  

#4  The search shows no other mention of this cleric. Got it wrong? Was it really Sadr? We're stating five friendly deaths. The terrs are stating they lost 7, I suspect more.
Posted by: Chuck Simmins   2003-10-17 10:25:37 AM  

#3  update, US casualties risen to 4:4 American Soldiers Are Killed in 2 New Attacks in Iraq

If this speed of casualties keeps on, I think that Bush will get a lot of headaches during the election
Posted by: Murat   2003-10-17 9:51:04 AM  

#2  what i really want to know is who the attackers were - Sadr's people?
Posted by: liberalhawk   2003-10-17 8:54:56 AM  

#1  Update, NBC and CNN report that the death soldiers where American: 3 U.S. troops and 8 Iraqis killed
Posted by: Murat   2003-10-17 5:31:54 AM  

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