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Africa: North
Talks on French Airline Bombing Stall
2003-10-12
Talks between Libya and the families of victims of a 1989 French airliner bombing have stalled despite a Saturday deadline, and President Jacques Chirac warned that relations would suffer if a deal for more compensation isn’t made.
Watch out, he’ll sic the Belgians on you. Nobody glowers better than the Belgians.
Libya had proposed $1 million for each family of the 170 people killed in the bombing of the French UTA airline DC-10 over Niger, but Guillaume Denoix de Saint Marc, a spokesman for the families, said the sum was too low.
Quelle horror!
Libya and the UTA families signed a framework accord Sept. 10 calling for a definitive compensation agreement within a month — by Saturday. That was one factor in prompting the U.N. Security Council last week to lift 11-year-old sanctions against Libya, long seen as a rogue state sponsoring terrorism. But Francoise Rudetzki, one of those involved in the talks, told The Associated Press that extortion proceedings negotiations had stalled. Abderaman Koulamallah, whose sister and five of her children were killed in the attack, said ``France should take severe diplomatic measures’’ against Libya. He said he remained convinced that a solution would be found. He said he believed that Libya’s delay was due to organizational problems on its part, not a change of heart.
Maybe the Frenchies should try and get a Security Council resolution and invade Libya...
Chirac warned of the consequences if there is no agreement. ``I say this without aggression, but without weakness,’’ Chirac told reporters at a press conference in Morocco. ``I don’t want to imagine that these promises won’t be adhered to.’’ He added: ``If by chance they were not, it would not be possible for that to not have consequences for (French and Libyan) relations.’’
The Libyans might have concluded that relations with France aren’t so important. Wonder where they got that idea?
An earlier partial deal, signed Sept. 10, cleared the way for a United Nations Security Council vote that lifted 11-year-old sanctions against Libya. A French anti-terrorism court convicted Gadhafi’s brother-in-law and five other Libyans in absentia and sentenced them to life in prison in 1999 for the bombing. They remain at large.
Oh, where could they be?
The extra compensation being sought by victims’ families would be a follow-up to $33 million Libya already paid in the case. The families, backed by the French government, demanded that Libya give more money after it agreed to pay far higher compensation - $2.7 billion - to relatives of the 270 victims of the 1988 downing of a Pan Am jet over Lockerbie, Scotland.
Much as I’d like to help these families, this looks like extortion pure and simple.
Posted by:Steve White

#16  I was in England, not far from Lakenheath, when the US bombed Libya. About all the French did was force our pilots to fly an additional five hours round trip, and it took five refuelings instead of three. That and give us a good indication of what a war in Europe would be like between NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Having to have an extra three wings of fighter aircraft to protect our backside changed a lot of warplans, but there was no way the US would trust the French after that.

BTW, the FB111 is carrier-capable. In fact, it was one of Macnamara's big ideas to cut costs by making all "new" aircraft capable of being used by both the Air Force and the Navy. About a third of US Air Force pilots are carrier-landing qualified.
Posted by: Old Patriot   2003-10-12 10:14:26 PM  

#15  Have been across the Line O' Death and yet I live on. Maybe Super Hose is a zombie?
Posted by: Super Hose   2003-10-12 8:44:38 PM  

#14  SH and Shipman, that's true, but not for heavy bombers. I still recall with a smile the "Line of Death" Khaddafy invoked across the Gulf of Sidra...cost him a few jets, didn't it?
Posted by: Frank G   2003-10-12 4:41:25 PM  

#13  air is still free if you own a flattop

Hell yes! This is a loop-hole in the Freedom of the Seas thingy...... it's (yep) Rule Britannia.
Posted by: Shipman   2003-10-12 3:45:25 PM  

#12  Sometimes its tough to ge the use of other people's air space, but air is still free if you own a flattop in the Med.
Posted by: Super Hose   2003-10-12 3:30:39 PM  

#11  Who would we support? A madman in the dessert or our longtime ally?

The latter, probably. Question is: would it be State Department or French-syle?
Posted by: Pappy   2003-10-12 3:16:21 PM  

#10  JFM, you're correct - made it more difficult when they had to fly from Maggie Thatcher's England. Also, IIRC Italy had socialist-communist leanings at the time. Berlusconi's a welcome change, no?
Posted by: Frank G   2003-10-12 2:49:31 PM  

#9  Frank G.

France was not alone in that attitude if my memory is any good. I think Germany andf Italy did the same. And Khaddafi rewarded France by bombing that plane mentionned in the article.


On another side it was the Germans who spent the 80s trying very hard to surrender to the Soviets (anyone here remembers the demonstrations against Pershing deployments and has meditated on the meaning of the "Better Red than dead" slogan?) and France who was telling: "missiles are east-side and pacifists are west-side").

Note: thre was a mistake in my previous post: the
French victims in the UTA plane got some indemnification but it was peanuts: governemnt didn't want to sour his new friend.

Posted by: JFM   2003-10-12 2:34:15 PM  

#8  France wouldn't allow overflight IIRC for Reagan to bomb Khadaffy Duck's tent in response to a terror attack in Berlin (among other mischief).

John Lennon was right: "Instant Karma's gonna get you"
Posted by: Frank G   2003-10-12 10:57:17 AM  

#7  The fact is a few years ago the (socilaist) French government was very ready to forget the bombings, tell the victims relatives to get lost and sell his soul trade with Lybia. However an obstinate judge and a press campaign derailed the plan. The governement still managed to have the relatives get nothing. Had not the US government not managed to get a better deal the French one wouldn't have lift a finger for the victims. Bastards.
Posted by: JFM   2003-10-12 9:57:06 AM  

#6  Drôle de guerre
Posted by: True German Ally   2003-10-12 9:35:49 AM  

#5  Maybe the Frenchies should try and get a Security Council resolution and invade Libya...

Who would we support? A madman in the dessert or our longtime ally?

Hmmmm.... well the madman does have Wheelus.
Posted by: Shipman   2003-10-12 8:28:13 AM  

#4  4:55am,2 sips of coffee,and achuckle.Now that is the way to start the day.Libya agrees,gets the sanctions lifted,then backs out of the deal,
Soup grapes indeed.

Come on,Chirac go for that UN Resolution.Wonder if Negrponte would laugh in his face outright or be"diplomatic".
Posted by: Raptor   2003-10-12 8:00:47 AM  

#3  "without aggression, but without weakness"

This is just hysterically pfunny. Chirac trying to sound tough using their patented Pfrench diplo-speak. It just gives me the giggles shivers to hears such weasly greed majestic sentiment and empty threats commanding power couched in such sniveling soaring language! He ees, sans doubt, zee Master!
Posted by: .com   2003-10-12 3:49:00 AM  

#2  Yes, sour grapes and typical French one-upmanship (oh, how are those wine sales to the USA, by the way?) and we're better at targeting as well. Don't forget the fear factor.
Posted by: Raj   2003-10-12 12:59:17 AM  

#1  No, it's sour grapes--the French are pissed that the Americans were much better negotiators re: compensation for terrorist victims--then faced a firestorm from Le Monde etc.
Posted by: Not Mike Moore   2003-10-12 12:25:55 AM  

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