As we approach July 4, 2013, is America in a pre-revolutionary state? Are we headed for a Tahrir Square of our own with the attendant mammoth social turmoil, possibly even violence.
Could it happen here? Of course not! The police state is our friend. It will protect us.
We are two-thirds of the way into the most incompetent presidency in our history. People everywhere are fed up. Even many of the so-called liberals who propelled The Champ into office have stopped defending him in the face of an unprecedented number of scandals coming at us one after the other like hideous monsters in some non-stop computer game.
And now looming is the monster of monsters, ChampCare, the healthcare reform almost no one wanted and fewer understood.
It will be administered by the IRS, an organization that has been revealed to be a kind of post-modern American Gestapo, asking not just to examine our accounting books but the books we read. What could be more totalitarian than that
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Depends if people like Barack Hessian Obama's IRS troops quartering in our home computers, tracking our on-line pizza ordering habits for death health panel scoring, in case you don't need an operation sometime.
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We have plenty of understanding of a police state, Lex. We're literate and we consume news. We've watched what has happened elsewhere in the world.
You don't have to LIVE in a police state to know when one is coming. Indeed, it's better to fix the problem BEFORE you end up living in a police state.
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OK, so riddle me this, fellow underground resistance members: why are you using a public website to broadcast to the GestapoSSkgb your IP address?
Is it because they've alreaDy POiSonEd oUr pRECioUS bOdILY FLUIDZZ?!?!?
If the police state did come, and they did start carting off authentic Christians and advocates of limited government to the camps, what (exactly and precisely) would you do about it?
Remember,if your answer is, "You guys are crazy, paranoid, conspiracy theorists, I won't even dignify that question with an answer", then it is a 100% proven fact that you are one of the people who would at best do nothing but in all likelihood would cheer the government on. (There has never been a time or society in history when this wasn't the case, and you are no better, smarter, more informed, or more ethical than those people in those societies.)
It's just that. A proven fact. Denials will equal lies.
Only one answer is acceptable, and most of the 'burgers will recognize it.
Go.
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So is the Big O returning from Africa for the 4th of July, this being the 2nd of July, or will the coup d'état be occurring without him, curious minds want to know.
Not even humorous or witty either. That you thought it was is proof that you aren't fully human.
Try again, boy.
Posted by: no mo uro ||
07/02/2013 16:48 Comments ||
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You do know, boy, that it is your fellow traveller left-of-center elite wannabes that are heavily into the "fluoride hurts my bodily fluids" in 2013, right? That the right no longer has a dog in that hunt, and hasn't for decades? That every fluoridation initiative that has been defeated in the past several years has gone down to earthy-crunchy leftist activism, people with politics just like you? That the Sterling Hayden's of our time are all left-of center in their politics, like you are?
Seeing as you are so much smarter, well-informed, and just plain better than the rest of us troglodytes, it sure is mystifying that you didn't know that.
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Mo,
I'm genuinely curious: what exactly is the evidence for your wild fantasy of being "carted off to the camps"? By whom? Where?
I'm really curious to understand this paranoid fantasy about Christians and lions, er, death camps. How the phuque do you go from
a) Obama has ordered the tageted killings of hundreds of Al Qaeda leaders and operatives and pushed against all his advisers to seek and kill Bin Laden - in other words Obama is far more ruthless than his conservative Christian predecessor was in bringing the war to Islamist terrorists who are targeting us infidels for slaughter;
... to
B) Obama is a power-mad muslim seeking to destroy Christianity.
Can't you at least spin a * coherent * paranoid fantasy?
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Guys, history is never going to exactly repeat itself. You abstract the lessons of the past, compare against similar falls into tyranny, and you notice the patterns, factoring in cultural quirks. you see the evil coming based on those patterns, and Lex jeers that you're stupid because "it hasn't arrived yet!" I say we flatter him, give him credit for being intelligent, then consider him a part of the Apparat or an enthusiastic supporter of what's obviously coming, indulging in gaslighting at the present.
What can you do when it DOES arrive? I recommend finding out if the Gulag speculation is true: What would have been different if a random implementer of "The Program" was unsure, when he kissed his wife and kids goodbye in the morning, that that would be the last time he would see them.
After all, that IS the way the IRS works: they have to rely on severely bankrupting and making a random person's life miserable so EVERYONE thinks it COULD happen to them, when the fact is that they couldn't do it if EVERYONE did it. Same principle with tyrannies in the past and present: lop off the heads of those who stand out and stand up.
The key innovation of the NSA spy program is NOT the massive data gathering, but the establishing of a nodal map of interrelationships that can be analyzed using graph methods, looking for characteristics of central nodes. Looking for the ears of corn that grow above the mass.
It'll be a Gestapo all right, but just much more efficient and targeted, and thus much lower profile, creating rumors of power and seeming omniscience. Not acting that way NOW, of course, but all the elements are there. Lex cries "trust us!" but given his behavior here, I would say "no way, twat."
Since you don't know it, I will provide you with the correct answer.
The only correct answer would have been "I would admit that I wa wrong all along, any political movement that promotes government power and growth over the private sector eventually ends up this way, I was fooled, I now recognize the goodness of limiting government, and I will do whatever it takes including take up arms to prevent harm from coming to my fellow Americans."
That answer should be given immediately and without preamble. If the shoes were on the other feet and I was asked the same about you, despite your general snideness and immaturity I would have responded that way without hesitation or attempt at snark.
Your faux nonchalance and "humor" translate directly to either "I would do nothing" or "I would cheer".
Case closed.
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Oh and BTW, Obama is neither Christian nor Muslim.
I've always thought that the facts on the ground categorically disprove him being a member of Islam and have never bought into the rest of the center/right going down that path.
He plays at both publicly in order to gain votes, to be sure, but it's pretty obvious he's neither.
He's just another atheist leftist, and an opportunist. That's what the data suggest.
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The tone of your posts indicates, Lex that you draw an income stream that depends on public sector money. That couldn't be influencing your voting habits, could it?
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Actually, yes I do.
But let's hear it from someone who would have been executed by the government for what he was saying:
The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.
-Thomas Jefferson
It actually pairs well with this
The people of Asia were slaves, because they had not learned how to pronounce the word 'no'.
- Alexander the Great
Public site, because fuck'em that's why. What people seem to not understand is that the 1st Ammendment is there for both the people, and for the government: it is a safety valve. Let's go back to ol T.J. there. Say King George decreed that everyone in the colonies had to keep a logbook of their day, and turn it in to the local authority that evening. If something didn't jive or they thought someone wasn't playing ball, they could go to their house and question them. Jefferson may even concede that because there were indeed people actively working to overthrow the government that agents of the King were right to poke around, but to take records of everyone without warrent and he would not have had to draft a Declaration of Independance because there would have been outright rebellion.
These social programs, those are options. If I want to start a page and talk about myself in such detail burglers know if I'm home or not, that's my own damn fault and why I don't do that.
The government, however, is not an option. Have companies store data just in case, sure, but unfettered access to everything plugged into the web should cause pause. After reading Godel, Escher, & Bach - have you read that one? - I came away with the distinct feeling of the attempt to quantify emotion. If that was done, a simple spreadsheet could really pin a person down. I think an organization capable of hacking China can both hack the 7-11 camera system and run an emotion program.
Put that power into the hands of the guilty before innocent soon to be in charge of your medical access yes we do target people for their political beliefs and your Bobby Mcferrin school of comeback looks silly. In fact, if you could please, change your nym to REM, cuz your 2/2 with that slur on this topic. You have reminded me of my high school peers, so thank you for that.
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Mo, so if I understand you right, Obama's ruthless war on jihadists stems from ... an atheistic determination to crush all religious belief, everywhere, be it Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrian, whatever. Is that how you square this circle?
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He's not making war on jihadists, he's just drone-zapping people for want of better to do. That's not war.
He's bailing out of Afghanistan, leaving the people there to suffer under the Taliban, just as he bailed out of Iraq, leaving the people there to suffer more civil strife.
He's not closing Gitmo because the politics of doing so are bad. Give him time.
He's not making war on jihadis anywhere else. He's not particularly interested in fighting them.
Champ thinks the Tea Party is a bigger threat -- to him -- than the jihadis are. He's likely right.
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Iff the Bammer is going to forcibly serve a 3rd POTUS term or more as many Netters fear, something has to occur that is severe or catastrophic enough to suspend the US Constitution + Habeas Corpus, Posse Commitatus, etc. US laws - BY LAW, A BAD US ECONOMY IN SEMI-OR NEAR-COLLAPSE IS NOT ENOUGH BY ITSELF TO REQUIRE THAT OBAMA SERVE ANOTHER 3rd-4th TERM AS POTUS.
Exclusive if Natural or Space Events, IMO this scenario will likely involve CHINA ANDOR IRAN, ESPEC "POST-US", FUTURE WORLD #1 WANNABE CHINA AS PER ITS ON-GOING, E-S-C-A-L-AT-I-N-G PUSH FOR UNCHALLENGED STRATEGIC ACCESS VEE THE ECS + SCS + INDIAN OCEAN REGION.
Could be a Military Conflict, or in alternate even a LACK OF MILITARY CONFLICT, I.E. "MUNICH II" AS PER CHINA-VS-JAPAN-VS-DEBT/SEQUESTER-RIDDEN-USA WHERE THE US-N-ONLY-THE-US MUST CHOOSE BETWEEN NUCLEAR-POSSIBLE CONFRONTATION + WAR; OR ELSE PAYING ITS DEBT + BORROWING FROM CHINA TO SUPPORT ITS BELOVED, SOON-TO-BE-GLOBAL WELFARE-NANNY STATE, WHERE THE US MAY UNILATERALLY OR WILFULLY GIVE UP SOVEREIGN TERRITORIES TO CHINA IN RETURN FOR PEACE + BOND BORROWING, + IRREGARDLESS IFF US VOTERS + OVERSEAS ALLIES WANT IT OR LIKE IT.
NATIONAL, GEOPOL SECURITY = FOOD STAMPS.
The clock is ticking faster-n-faster.
* So-called "A2/AREA-DENIAL" > As the US surrenders like France + rolls back across the Pacific toward EASTPAC + CONUS, it may choose to deny use of Guam-CNMI + other key Pacific Islands to the PLA by destroying their harbors + airfields, VEE ISLAND/LAND-SINKING "TECTONIC"
OR "EARTHQUAKE BOMBS" [Undergound = Subsurface EMP]. Iff China + PLA wishes to use these islands, it will have to re-develop everything out of its own pocket.
D *** NG IT, IT WAS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY CATEGORICALLY UNDENIABLY .... AN "ACT(S) OF GOD", NOT SSSSSSHHHHHH...CCCCCCCCCC MAN-MADE EMP, ERGO THE US DOESN'T HAVE TO PAY FOR THE ISLANDS IT DESTROYED.
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Steve - you don't have the facts straight. Obama ESCALATED the war in Afghanistan. He put the hunt for bin Laden back on the front burner after Bush, and candidate Romney, and the Joint Chiefs and the CIA, all had decided to throw in the towel. He approved the raid when his advisers told him it was too risky. The drone strikes have had an enormous impact and have seriously degraded AQ's leadership and operational hierarchies.
Sorry, Steve, but that dog won't hunt. By nearly any measure, Obama has been ruthlessly effective - both more ruthless and more effective than his predecessor - in the global war on terror. Richard Clarke has made this case with devastating clarity as well.
Whatever the source of this frothing hatred of the current president, the facts don't lie: he unwound the colossal f***ups of his predecessor and also ratcheted up the war in the shadows, with great success.
Frankly, he deserves at least some gratitude for persevering like this in the face of so much ignorance and personalized hatred.
They are having huge demonstrations against Morsi, over in Egypt, and they are not happy with Champ, either. Some pics, too.
I was not present in Egypt yesterday, June 30, but I watched some of the wall-to-wall broadcasts on Egyptian television of packed squares and streets across the country, of gesticulating orators, defensive government spokesmen, and articulate commentators. The demonstrations across the country were, by consensus estimates, 7 to 10 times larger than the biggest anti-Mubarak crowds in early 2011. They dwarfed street rebellions such other those in Iran in 1979 or Peking in 1989. Simply put, they were probably the largest political demonstration in human history.
One television station called itself the "Voice of Tahrir Square" and simultaneously showed scenes from there and seven other cities.
I was moved by the humanity of the crowds and (sometimes despite myself) thrilled by their centrism and constructive outlook. Who could have imagined a mere year ago, when Mohamed Morsi supposedly won the presidential election, that this massive Rebellion would be served up as his anniversary present, as he cowered behind walls in a distant palace?
The day also raised two policy thoughts:
The American role: Time and again, commentators brought up the vital importance of the U.S. government in the drama of the day. One person, for example, counted four main actors: the demonstrators, the president, the military, and Washington. Crowds expressed anti-Obama feelings; at least one much-photographed bi-lingual sign provided an English translation: "OBAMA SUPPORTS TERRORISM." (Morsi's critics routinely call him a terrorist.)
The message from Egypt was crystal clear: It's time for the administration to stop coddling Morsi and to get behind the millions of protestors. But will the geniuses in the White House, the State Department, and Embassy Cairo hear? Obama's initial response today was tepid but at least mildly in the right direction: "Our commitment to Egypt has never been around any particular individual or party. Our commitment has been to a process."
Whither Morsi: Awesome and satisfying as the June 30 rejection of Muslim Brotherhood rule was, what should come next is not obvious. Emotionally, I want Morsi and his foul crew gone as soon as possible from the corridors of power. Tactically, however, I fear that, once they are dispatched, the politically obtuse military leadership will likely muck things up and the opposition will be unable to unify or to handle the looming economic disaster. If Egypt's pain is to have benefit, it would be by discrediting Islamism. For that to happen, it's probably better that Morsi linger in office and be ascribed responsibility for the hunger and other disasters ahead.
I write this with trepidation, as always when the heart and mind disagree. (July 1, 2013)
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I'd say, Morsi won't have a choice in the matter.
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Just got back from my local pub where a group of guys were talking about a civil war is coming if the Govt don't stand up to the muslim community.
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Just got back from my local pub where a group of guys were talking about a civil war is coming if the Govt don't stand up to the muslim community.
What are you going to fight with. You can bet money the muzz have stacks of arms in the mosques.
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Whilst there is , in the UK a major undercurrent of unhappiness , this in large has been created by the Government , not minority groups . If there was ever a form of revolution it would not be because of a backlash towards Islam , it would be because the policies of this government have ostracised vast swathes of the UK community , especially the poor and infirm whilst enhancing the powers of the few . Its the people that need to make a stand , not the government . We already know what a bunch of testicle juggling , self serving bunch of halfwits we have in power . Never have I ever seen a Government cabinet packed with so many folk suffering from Dunning-Kruger effect . Paul , sitting in a EDL pub, in no doubt Newcastle or somewhere like that does not offer any clarity or substance on anything at all . Every bigot the world , no matter what side you're on needs to re-evaluate their beliefs for the betterment of mankind . Unfortunately I cant see that happening , so we will continue to slide further and further away from our moral obligations to our children .
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Making sure Western JudeoChristianity loses the "Battle of Tours II/Franco-Eurorabia" before it even begins.
The Mohameddans are already in the rear of Charles Martel - How can the Frenchies, etal. be saved by the Royal Navy iff there is no more Royal Navy, etc. due to the demands or requirements of the UK, EU Welfare-Nanny State + EuroSocialism + EuroGlobalism??? LITTLE TO NO USoAMERIKA = USDOD EITHER AS BACKUP FOR SIMILAR REASONS.
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* DEFENCE,PK/FORUMS > [Guardian.UK] CHANNEL 4 TO AIR DAILY MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER DURING RAMADAN.
And so it begins, or more accurately "continues" towards the future Londinistan = Britanistan = Anglorabia = .......???
BIG[GER] GOVT-CENTRIC, "SAFE" POLITICAL-LEGAL CORRECTNESS, DENIABILITY + FEEL-GOOD "IT DEPENDS WHAT 'IS' MEANS" VERSUS MULLAHS TELLING MUSLIMS TO HAVE LOTS OF SEX, BABIES, + TEACH THEM TO BE GOOD-MUSLIMS-AND-ONLY-GOOD-MUSLIMS.
Its not Ahmed's fault he fights, preserves + passes on his traditions, faith, + identity, etc. to his progeny WHILE "WHITEY", ETAL. NON-MUSLIMS DO NOT. HE'S NOT A CONVENIENT, ANYTIME ANYWHERE ON A DIME WAFFLER OR FLIP-FLOPPER.
[Pak Daily Times] On the same day, 28 people were killed and 65 maimed in a suicide kaboom near a holy manbargah (mosque) in Quetta, 17 people were killed and 46 maimed in a car kaboom on a Frontier Corps (FC) convoy in Badaber in the outskirts of Beautiful Downtown Peshawar ...capital of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (formerly known as the North-West Frontier Province), administrative and economic hub for the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of Pakistan. Peshawar is situated near the eastern end of the Khyber Pass, convenient to the Pak-Afghan border. Peshawar has evolved into one of Pakistan's most ethnically and linguistically diverse cities, which means lots of gunfire. , and eight people were killed and 12 maimed in kabooms in South Wazoo. If the count of those killed and maimed is totted up, the day could rightly be termed Bloody Sunday. The suicide kaboom attack in Quetta was aimed at the imambargah in congested Hazara Town, where massive bombings killed more than 200 people earlier this year. Prayers had just finished in the imambargah, and had the jacket wallah succeeded in reaching it, the toll would almost certainly have been higher. Fortunately (if one can use that word for an incident that nevertheless killed and injured so many), the attacker was stopped at a checkpoint set up by local volunteers and went kaboom! some 50 yards from the imambargah. It is inexplicable why, when the area in question and the Hazara community in particular had been the target of horrendous bombings a few months ago, the security forces were not manning checkpoints instead of local community volunteers (many of whom must be amongst the dead and maimed as a result). This 'lapse' is likely to resurrect the Baloch nationalists' contention that the security forces are concentrating on Baloch dissidents, attempting to quell the trouble through their 'kill and dump' policy, while turning a 'blind eye' to the activities of bully boyz such as the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi ... a 'more violent' offshoot of Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistain. LeJ's purpose in life is to murder anyone who's not of utmost religious purity, starting with Shiites but including Brelvis, Ahmadis, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Rosicrucians, and just about anyone else you can think of. They are currently a wholly-owned subsidiary of al-Qaeda ... (LeJ), which took responsibility for the attacks earlier this year. If the security forces wish to avoid such odious accusations, they should ensure the LeJ and other terrorist outfits in Balochistan ...the Pak province bordering Kandahar and Uruzgun provinces in Afghanistan and Sistan Baluchistan in Iran. Its native Baloch propulation is being displaced by Pashtuns and Punjabis and they aren't happy about it... are taken out and the kill and dump policy is at least put on hold if not abandoned to give peace a chance in the troubled province. In the Badaber bombing, although the target was a FC convoy, most of the victims were innocent people since the boom-mobile was parked in a busy market and detonated by remote control. Security forces sources said this attack may have been a response to the security sweeps carried out in the area in recent days. In two separate attacks, four members of a peace committee and four soldiers were killed and at least 12 people injured in the Wana/Miranshah ... headquarters of al-Qaeda in Pakistain and likely location of Ayman al-Zawahiri. The Haqqani network has established a ministate in centered on the town with courts, tax offices and lots of madrassas... area of South Waziristan.
This toll of human lives in one day in the troubled western borderlands adjoining Afghanistan serves to focus minds on the impending withdrawal of foreign troops and the efforts to get some sort of political settlement in Afghanistan before that withdrawal. Visiting British Prime Minister (PM) David Cameron ... has stated that he is certainly a big Thatcher fan, but I don't know whether that makes me a Thatcherite, which means he's not. Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led. He has been described as certainly not a Pitt, Elder or Younger, but he does wear a nice suit so maybe he's Beau Brummel ... in a joint presser with PM Nawaz Sharif ... served two non-consecutive terms as prime minister, heads the Pakistain Moslem League (Nawaz). Noted for his spectacular corruption, the 1998 Pak nuclear test, border war with India, and for being tossed by General Musharraf... in Islamabad on Sunday put what he thought was needed unequivocally: "...a tough and uncompromising security response..." to terrorism. He added that such a response must be accompanied by investment in education and tackling poverty. Cameron went on to describe the situation because of terrorism as a common threat and huge global challenge. As part of the strategic dialogue with Pakistain, the British PM has promised help in providing technical support for the new counter-terrorism policy being contemplated by Nawaz Sharif's government along with equipment to deal with improvised bombs, the weapon of choice of the terrorists. He has also extended help to Pakistain in ensuring the security of infrastructure and sharing expertise on safeguarding sporting events. Nawaz Sharif on the other hand, while condemning the bombing attacks, expressed his government's resolve to conduct the struggle against terrorism until it was overcome. He also reiterated his government's commitment to a peace deal in Afghanistan, a precarious process that was almost stillborn after the Taliban opened their office in Doha. Peace in Afghanistan, as both PMs reiterated, is crucial for Pakistain, which has lost over 40,000 people killed since 2004, 2,500 of them in this year alone (signifying an intensification of the terrorists' campaign), and suffered estimated losses of $ 60 billion to the economy. The new counter-terrorism policy of the PML-N government is anxiously awaited, not the least because of the happenings on Bloody Sunday.
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Johannesburg - It was billed as a new chapter in relations with a continent on the move, but US President Barack Obama's whirlwind tour of Africa left many underwhelmed by pledges that were thin on detail and dwarfed by China's lavish investment. You're in excellent company. Welcome to the globally "underwhelmed".
Obama's long-awaited return to sub-Saharan Africa was seen as recognition of the region's rising significance on the world stage, and a challenge to Beijing's growing economic clout on the continent. "Challenge" or Sino-Bama facilitation ?
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