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Africa North
In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood's 'trial of power' (+video)
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 15:30 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [210 views] Top||


Taking sides in Egypt a slippery slope
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 13:48 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [200 views] Top||


Our Man In Cairo
David Ignatius:
Morsi and his Brotherhood followers are on a power trip after decades of isolation and persecution. You could see that newfound status when Morsi visited the United Nations in September and even more so during the diplomacy that led to last month's cease-fire in Gaza, brokered by Morsi and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. The Brotherhood leaders had gone from outcasts to superstars, and they were basking in the attention.

Morsi's unlikely role as a peacemaker is the upside of the "cosmic wager" Obama has made on the Muslim Brotherhood. It illustrates why the administration was wise to keep its channels open over the past year of post-revolutionary jockeying in Egypt.

But power corrupts, and this is as true with the Muslim Brotherhood as with any other group that suddenly finds itself in the driver's seat after decades of ostracism. Probably thinking he had America's backing,
Golly, why would he think that?
He didn't. He knew that Mr. Obama could be caught in a bind and hence wasn't going to do a damn thing to his newest, bestest friend in Egypt
. Morsi overreached on Nov. 22 by declaring that his presidential decrees were not subject to judicial review. His followers claim that he was trying to protect Egypt's revolution from judges appointed by Hosni Mubarak.
Not Egypt's revolution, but certainly the Brotherhood's...
But that rationale has worn thin as members of Morsi's government resigned in protest, thousands of demonstrators took the streets and, ominously, Muslim Brotherhood supporters began counterattacking with rocks, clubs and metal pipes.

Through this upheaval, the Obama administration has been oddly restrained. After the power grab, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland said: "We call for calm and encourage all parties to work together and call for all Egyptians to resolve their differences over these important issues peacefully and through democratic dialogue." Not exactly a thundering denunciation.

The administration's rejoinder is that this isn't about America. Egyptians and other Arabs are writing their history now, and they will have to live with the consequences. Moreover, the last thing secular protesters need is an American embrace. That's surely true, but it's crazy for Washington to appear to take sides against those who want a liberal, tolerant Egypt and for those who favor sharia. Somehow, that's where the administration has ended up.
Unexpectedly.
For a lesson in the dangers of falling in love with your client, look at Iraq: U.S. officials, starting with President George W. Bush and Gen. David Petraeus, kept lauding Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, despite warnings from many Iraqis that he was a conspiratorial politician who would end up siding with Iran. This misplaced affection continued into the Obama administration: Even after the Iraqi people in their wisdom voted in 2010 to dump Maliki, the United States helped him cobble together enough support to remain in power. Arab observers are still scratching their heads trying to understand that one.
It's quite simple. Humans as a rule prefer the status quo. Liberals, despite the label, are even more attached to the known knowns; that's why the Cold War went on far longer than it should have, and why Western educated thugs have it far over your garden-variety, non-Islamic 'revolutionary'.
When assessing the turbulent events in the Arab world, we should remind ourselves that we're witnessing a revolution that may take decades to produce a stable outcome. With the outcome so hard to predict, it's a mistake to make big bets on any particular player. The U.S. role should be to support the broad movement for change and economic development and to keep lines open to whatever democratic governments emerge.

America will help the Arab world through this turmoil if it states clearly that U.S. policy is guided by its interests and values, not by transient alliances and friendships. If Morsi wants to be treated as a democratic leader, he will have to act like one.
What if he merely wants to be treated as the new caliph of the revived caliphate?
Posted by: Pappy || 12/10/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [215 views] Top||

#1  It isn't going to get better. There is going to be another war. A big one. Its finally going to happen and the weenies are going to be the first to get sucked in and gob smacked.

We , over here, are harder to reach, but we are led by yellow monkeys on welfare and everybody is looking for that 'ol free ride.

As long as we can we will stand on the sidelines and yell while we tremble. And then finally we will get sucked in too.

Israel will have to eventually stand alone and the Moslem world will ally with anyone who will still sell them cheap guns and they will go for the Caliphate which was all it ever came down to in the end.
Why lie to yourselves?

That is where it is all headed. Every beard and pointing finger should tell you so. You are all out of Twinkies, Jack.
And when China wants the whole China Sea no one will say a thing.
And you?...well you will work for anybody who is willing to give you a job and pay you. Because your bills are due.
Posted by: Threater Flusoper9823 || 12/10/2012 5:02 Comments || Top||

#2  You go ahead and give up, if that's what you need, Threater Flusoper9823. I think you are enjoying the dramatics a tad overmuch, myself, but hyperventilating has always made me dizzy. You'll excuse me, I'm sure, while I get on with dealing with actual reality. You have stocked your pantry and arranged enough flashlight batteries and a car charger for your cellphone, just in case, right?

Oh, and we're already in that big war. Afghanistan and Iraq -- and Iran, when the time comes -- are only some of the battlefields.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/10/2012 13:03 Comments || Top||

#3  That cadence, it's familiar somehow....
Posted by: Shipman || 12/10/2012 16:22 Comments || Top||

#4  Think 'Angleton9'.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/10/2012 21:03 Comments || Top||


Economy
Over 1 Million Americans Enter Poverty In Last Two Months
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 05:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [211 views] Top||

#1  Poverty is not the point---dependency is the point!
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/10/2012 7:16 Comments || Top||

#2  FDR era ration books and stamps issued by the gov't (basted upon "needs" of course), appear to be the future. We might as well become accustomed to it and embrace our socialist, single party masters. Property ownership was such a pain in the a** anyway, all those leaves to rake and association meetings.

Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2012 8:21 Comments || Top||

#3  I know I'm preaching to the crowd...but here's a good slogan on poverty for the rest of the world to appreciate: "America, where our definition of poor is obese people with cell phones, access to internet, t.v.'s, air conditioning, and automobiles."
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 12/10/2012 9:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Don't forget the 40" Plasma TV and Cable!
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/10/2012 10:38 Comments || Top||

#5  A third-world peasant would weep with joy to be offered "poverty" in the US.
Posted by: mojo || 12/10/2012 10:44 Comments || Top||

#6  All the tchotchkes in the world won't make you rich if not getting out of debt and being able to own big things isn't an option.

My _not_ buying a smartphone isn't helping me with the basics of my bad situation. The poor who are buying smartphones may be reacting rationally to their situation, since either way they can't get to the point of owning land or a house.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 12/10/2012 11:10 Comments || Top||

#7  They voted for, re happy with it according to Rasmussen polls, they deserve it.
Posted by: JFM || 12/10/2012 11:21 Comments || Top||

#8  And those HH jackets...
Posted by: Steve White || 12/10/2012 12:15 Comments || Top||

#9  http://youtu.be/DL-a-r7iJIU

Welfare state in action.
Posted by: warthogswife || 12/10/2012 15:45 Comments || Top||

#10  I hope those in poverty in the US are not as deprived as those in Australia where they are missing out on stomach reduction for obesity.
A survey of almost 50,000 obese Australians found those living in socially disadvantaged areas on low incomes were less likely to have bariatric surgery than their higher earning, better-educated counterparts.

This was despite evidence that people from lower socioeconomic groups were more likely to be obese.
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 16:22 Comments || Top||

#11  Here's a link to the video warthogswife linked to.

Its a hoot.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 12/10/2012 17:38 Comments || Top||

#12  Sorry folks if my link didn't work and thanks Crazy Fool for catching it.
Posted by: warthogswife || 12/10/2012 19:08 Comments || Top||


AEP: World risks fresh credit bubble, Switzerland's BIS warns
Asset prices across the world have risen to heady levels not seen since the credit boom five years ago and may be losing touch with economic reality yet again, the Bank for International Settlements has warned.
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 04:02 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [214 views] Top||

#1  Too many people looking for places to park money. All the good spots are filled, and they're starting to use the fire lanes.
This will not be pretty.
Posted by: ed in texas || 12/10/2012 11:45 Comments || Top||

#2  Too much credit chasing down yields till yield below risk = systematic bankruptcy.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/10/2012 13:38 Comments || Top||

#3  D *** NG IT, ITS GOOD "GLOBALISM" + "OWG", + ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!

Won't someone please think of the Children!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2012 20:33 Comments || Top||


Europe
Europe clings to scorched-earth ideology as depression deepens
Like the generals of the First World War, Europe¬'s leaders seem determined to send wave after wave of their youth into the barbed wire of tight money, bank deleveraging, and fiscal austerity a l¬'outrance.
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 04:11 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [216 views] Top||

#1  You didn't expect them to admit being wrong---did you?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 12/10/2012 7:17 Comments || Top||

#2  ..no more than those in Beltway.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/10/2012 8:43 Comments || Top||

#3  More aep nonsense. Im sorry but aep is a fool.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/10/2012 13:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Im sorry but aep is a fool.
Maybe BP. In the Middle ages the Court Jester was the only one allowed to "speak truth to power"
Maybe AEP is the new Court Jester?
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 14:17 Comments || Top||

#5  No, aep plays the role of the syphylitic insane nobleman.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 12/10/2012 15:48 Comments || Top||

#6  I always know it's AEP, just by the headline.
He is... entertaining
Posted by: European Conservative || 12/10/2012 22:07 Comments || Top||


The Grand Turk
Ottoman Ghosts
Strategy Page.
Posted by: tipper || 12/10/2012 15:15 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [217 views] Top||


Home Front: Politix
Is Rice really so bad?
The Republicans' opposition to Susan Rice's potentially becoming the next secretary of state is pretty hard to understand.

It wasn't long ago that Republicans were all for a different black woman named Condoleezza Rice taking the same job -- is the GOP just bigoted about the name Susan?

Republicans' stated objections to Rice make no sense. They complain that she's "dishonest" and "incompetent," to which she could easily respond, Well, duh, that's why I work for the government.
Frank J Fleming at his best....RTWT
Posted by: whitecollar redneck || 12/10/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [229 views] Top||

#1  Not so bad, but not good enough.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 12/10/2012 0:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Iff the Bammer likes + wants Rice for post-Hillary SecState, he will nominate her irregardless of the critics.

AFAIK, by most accounts Hillary is not going to leave DepState until circa EOY 2013 anyway -"Susan/Susie" broadly then has most of an entire year to prove herself to her critics.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2012 0:31 Comments || Top||

#3  I don't see China backing down in ECS or SCS, + war agz Iran either next March or Summer 2013???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2012 0:33 Comments || Top||

#4  Really so bad? Yes. Go ask the Diplomad. He had to work with her.
Posted by: SteveS || 12/10/2012 0:55 Comments || Top||

#5  A candidate for the top diplomatic post in the nation should be intelligent enough to identify a terrorist attack conducted against a US Diplomatic Mission. She either wasn't, or was party to a cover up. Both explanations disqualify Ms. Rice.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2012 2:18 Comments || Top||

#6  When you are made the point man, it's always understood that you may well get whacked. The real question is why the WH thought she was expendable as such or believed because of race/gender she is above questioning [real racism/sexism at work].
Posted by: Procopius2k || 12/10/2012 8:39 Comments || Top||

#7  She either wasn't, or was party to a cover up

Twice (Kenyan/Tanzania and Libya) and under two separate administrations.

The real question is why the WH thought she was expendable as such or believed because of race/gender she is above questioning [real racism/sexism at work]

More toward the latter, but mainly because she's been both a proverbial State Department insider and a reliable ideological hack.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/10/2012 12:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Rice is not the issue.

The issue is a White House cover up of a catastrophic diplomatic failure which resulted in the loss of American lives. Rejecting Rice's nomination (or potential nomination) is absolutely essential because any other action could be viewed as a sanction of the White House's actions.
Posted by: Iblis || 12/10/2012 14:48 Comments || Top||

#9  I reckon if we wish to see folks like Susan Rice rise to even higher positions of leadership and responsibility in gov't.... we could just let it slide. lblis is right, rejecting Rice is essential.
Posted by: Besoeker || 12/10/2012 14:54 Comments || Top||

#10  you might just as well blame Jamie Gorelick for the intel wall between the CIA and FBI before 9/11/01...oh wait....that date ...ummm....

nevermind
Posted by: Frank G || 12/10/2012 20:16 Comments || Top||

#11  Rice is not the issue.

She is an issue, all right. Just a separate one from the Benghazi cluster-foo.

(does this admin have anything besides issues?)
Posted by: SteveS || 12/10/2012 21:32 Comments || Top||

#12  Ummm, guyz?

It's Frank J.

Salt (and pepper, and mustard, and pickles) accordingly. ;-p
Posted by: Barbara || 12/10/2012 21:33 Comments || Top||

#13  Yeah, we know. But we're still outraged by the whole mess.
Posted by: SteveS || 12/10/2012 21:38 Comments || Top||

#14  "was party to a cover up"

Isn't that the point of a diplomat?
Posted by: European Conservative || 12/10/2012 22:09 Comments || Top||


International-UN-NGOs
UN Hunting Season
[Ynet] PA closely following Israel's response to European condemnations over settlement building

November and December have always been difficult months for the Jews dating back almost to the UN's inception. The General Assembly has been passing insane anti-Israel resolutions during these months since way before the Six Day War conquests, and always with a vast majority. On December 10, 1949 the UNGA adopted an Australian resolution to internationalize Jerusalem. Foreign Minister Moshe Sharett, the leftist member of Ben-Gurion's government, immediately declared "I do not see a force in this world that can prevent the realization of Jerusalem's historic destiny to become the capital of Israel."

Jerusalem has been our capital for the past 64 years, thank God. Regrettably, there are no foreign embassies in Jerusalem, but the famous Israeli sun continues to shine. We have learned to live with the UN's animosity and even find comfort in the fact that the most painful UN votes are a moderate alternative to the pogroms of yesteryear. Today's Israel haters can't harm us physically, so they organize UN votes against us.

In early December 1969 the General Assembly voted in favor of a resolution that called on Israel to allow the Paleostinian refugees to return to their homes at once. Britannia and La Belle France abstained. Did we return the refugees? Does anyone even remember that resolution?

"The Arabs have hijacked the UN," Israel's UN ambassador Chaim Herzog said in 1976 after the General Assembly adopted a report submitted by a special committee which gave Israel an ultimatum -- withdraw from all the territories within six months and establish a Paleostinian state in the West Bank and Gazoo.

Today, our situation in the international arena is still grim, but the state of our resilience is even worse. In 1949, when the UN objected to Israel's annexation of west Jerusalem, it was criticized by both the coalition and the opposition. When it compared Zionism to racism in 1975, no one blamed the government. The sense of pressure was converted into determination and defiance. The Haifa Municipality changed the name of one of the city's streets from United Nations
...where theory meets practice and practice loses...
Boulevard to Zionism Boulevard. Sixteen years later, the UN folded and annulled the decision.

The UN may also capitulate one day with regards to the construction in Jerusalem and Ma'ale Adumim. But Israel must not. If we agree to freeze construction in Jerusalem until a permanent agreement is reached, we will never be able to resume it, because the Paleostinians have shown that they have no intention of making peace with us in the next 100 years. Their main goal in life is to use the international community to obstruct Jewish construction in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Now they are closely following Israel's response to the European condemnations and are already calculating their next steps in case Israel responds hesitantly. The best way to deter them is to show that we are not dissuaded.
Posted by: trailing wife || 12/10/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [206 views] Top||

#1  The reason the Palestinians are so against the settlements of Jews in the West Bank territories is that it scares the hell out of the Palestinians. It works.
Pure and simple ,its effective.
It takes the West Bank a house and a yard and a block at a time and it swallows them. And it will continue to do so. It is only a matter of time.

In fifty years, a yard at a time, a house and a fence and an orchard at a time it will seep throughout the West Bank until there is no more West Bank for the Palestinians at all, just Israelis hanging their laundry.
The UN can'r stop it and the Israelis aren't GOING to stop it. Why should they? It works!

There will come an inevitable day when it will simply be like someone using an eyedropper of hot water on a sugar cube, the West Bank will simply erode and dissolve until its just another israeli mail route.
You will wake up one morning and find the Palestinians have all moved to Brazil or have opened falafel shops in New Jersey. There will be israelis walking their dogs all over the West Bank and there won't be a postage stamp of land left in the West Bank that doesn't have a yarmulke all over it.

And if that doesn't work there are always fine 120 mm guns on the MerkaBah Tanks. So, if the Palestinians don't like it they can pick their noses.
And the UN can get hosed.

Posted by: Threater Flusoper9823 || 12/10/2012 4:10 Comments || Top||


Olde Tyme Religion
Muslim conflicts
[Dawn] FROM the desert of the Sahel to the islands of the Pacific, Moslem peoples and states are today afflicted by conflicts and violence of varying dimensions and intensity.

The malicious myth propagated by Islam's adversaries is that Moslems are prone to violence due to their faith and culture.

'Islamic' terrorism, militancy and extremism are the only ones to have acquired a religious sobriquet. With this simplistic explanation for every situation of conflict and violence involving Moslems, it has become much easier to brush aside the legitimate interests and rights of Moslem states, nations and communities across the world.

It is thus essential to analyse the nature and causes of the current crises and conflicts in the Islamic world and point to the steps required to resolve them.

A first observation is that most Moslem conflicts are local. Whether in Cairo, Damascus
...The place where Pencilneck hangs his brass hat...
, Benghazi or Storied Baghdad
...located along the Tigris River, founded in the 8th century, home of the Abbasid Caliphate...
, these conflicts arise mainly from local political, social and economic causes. Often, if unresolved, these conflicts intensify and extend beyond their original boundaries. Broadly, such 'local' conflicts can be placed in four categories: socioeconomic, ethnic, sectarian and externally imposed. Frequently, these categories overlap.

The Arab Spring and the dramatic political changes it propelled have been the most visible manifestations of indigenous socioeconomic revolt in the Arab and Moslem world for decades. Even after emerging from colonial and foreign rule or tutelage, common people in the Islamic world remained quiescent under unequal rule by elites.

The genie of rising popular expectations and demands, unleashed by growing inequality, poverty and injustice and the Internet, will be difficult to put back in the authoritarian bottle. Yet, such popular revolts, as evidenced by the history of almost all 'democratic' nations, also crystallise these fault lines in societies -- class, sect, ethnicity, political affinity -- yielding a period of turbulent transition.

The "revolution (often) eats its children". Its achievements can be reversed. Stability will only come to the countries of the Arab Spring through clear political direction and rapid economic growth.

Ethnic differences and diversity are another cause of the current conflicts within Moslem states. The Kurds, dispersed across Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, have remained a source of dispute and violence especially since the demise of the Ottoman Empire. The competing loyalties among the Pakhtuns, Baloch, Azeris and similar ethnic communities within and across Islamic states create difficulties in the governance of these states and complicate interstate relationships. These ethnic issues require equitable and wise domestic and regional solutions to be promoted by governments of the concerned states.

A third and disturbing cause of conflict in the Moslem world is growing sectarianism. The modern incidence of violence between the Sunni and Shia communities dates back to the success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran. Soon after, the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan, supported by ( Zia-ruled) Pakistain, the US, Soddy Arabia
...a kingdom taking up the bulk of the Arabian peninsula. Its primary economic activity involves exporting oil and soaking Islamic rubes on the annual hajj pilgrimage. The country supports a large number of princes in whatcha might call princely splendor. When the oil runs out the rest of the world is going to kick sand in their national face...
and others, saw the rise of Sunni militancy.

The years after the end of the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan witnessed the first round of Sunni-Shia violence in Pakistain, mostly financed and sponsored by outside powers. Pakistain remains afflicted by this menace of sectarian violence. But the sectarian divide has now emerged as a strategic issue, with implications that go well beyond the Moslem world.

Today, Shia 'power', wielded by Iran, Iraq, Alawite Syria and Hezbollah in Leb is ranged against Sunni states -- Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt -- in the battle for Syria. The latter are supported by the US and Europe. The outcome will determine the balance of power in West Asia. This sectarian contest obviously has further weakened the ability of Moslem states to promote pan-Islamic objectives.

These pan-Islamic objectives would normally be to protect and promote Moslem communities and groups which face discrimination, oppression and violence from non-Moslem sources. The most celebrated Islamic cause is to restore the legitimate rights of the Paleostinian people and secure Israeli withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including (East) Jerusalem. Due to internal fissures and weaknesses, the ability of the Arab and Islamic world to secure this 'sacred' goal in Paleostine and Al Quds has progressively declined.

Inevitably, the political space has been increasingly occupied by bully boyz on both sides, neither of which wants the internationally prescribed two-state solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. The recent Gazoo skirmish may presage a wider conflict which may draw in not only the West Bank Paleostinians but also neighbouring Arab states.

Two decades ago, the cause of Kashmire used to enjoy equal billing with Paleostine on the Islamic agenda. Today, not even Pakistain mentions the 'K' word in its speeches at the UN. Yet, Kashmire will continue to see violence because of the refusal of its people to accept Indian rule and inevitably force itself on the Islamic and Pak agendas.

There are several other situations of Moslems being oppressed in non-Moslem states, most recently the Rohingyas in Myanmar. The Islamic countries have yet to develop effective diplomatic mechanisms to offer aid and protection to such oppressed Moslem minorities in non-Moslem states.

The creation of Bin Laden's Al Qaeda was the violent response of Arab and Moslem bully boyz to the perceived injustices against Moslem people, especially by the West. Al Qaeda proclaimed a global and anti-Western campaign and perpetrated the 9/11 atrocity. It also was provided the 'opportunity' to fight Western armies close to home -- in Iraq and Afghanistan.

But most of Al Qaeda's violence has been directed against fellow Moslems, especially in Pakistain, but also in Yemen, Saudi Arabia and now in Mali. Worse yet, Al Qaeda's actions and pronouncements have been utilised by adversaries to portray every Moslem militancy as terrorism. Thus, all Kashmiri jihad boy groups have been depicted as terrorists, although most of them did not have affiliations with Al Qaeda.

However,
it's easy to be generous with someone else's money...
it is clear that such 'labelling' is expedient for the West (also known as the "international community"). Mullah Omar
... a minor Pashtun commander in the war against the Soviets who made good as leader of the Taliban. As ruler of Afghanistan, he took the title Leader of the Faithful. The imposition of Pashtunkhwa on the nation institutionalized ignorance and brutality in a country already notable for its own fair share of ignorance and brutality...
and most Taliban leaders and groups were placed on the US and Security Council 'terrorism list'. Once it was clear that negotiations would be needed with them, a concerted effort was made to take 'cooperative' Taliban off the list. Since the Haqqani 'network' is seen to be non-cooperative, it has been recently placed on the terrorism list. Pakistain was asked in the past to kill or capture the Afghan Taliban leadership; now it is being asked to release them to expedite negotiations.

Some general conclusions can be drawn from this analysis. First, economic and social development is essential to resolve most Moslem conflicts and must be the first priority. Second, a much greater effort is required to explain and project the real nature and causes of various 'local' conflicts. These should not be allowed to be tarred with the Al Qaeda brush.

Third, Moslem states need to overcome the sectarian and ethnic divisions which will further weaken them, individually and collectively. Fourth, external (non-Moslem) intervention or involvement in a Moslem conflict is unlikely to prove positive in the long term. Solutions would be best promoted by the concerned Moslem parties themselves. Finally, the Islamic Conference (OIC) must be awakened from its slumber to serve its prescribed role as the vehicle for Islamic cooperation.
Posted by: Fred || 12/10/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [226 views] Top||

#1  There are a lot of Moslems shooting and knifing and blowing up other Moslems. Its all a coincidence right? They all really love each other? Yes, of course. Syria and Egypt show the Religion of Peices in sharp outline....the True Faith dedicated to a slice and a gut cut.

Maybe we should sell these nice people of the True Faith some obsolete weapons, something about forty years old at the back of the warehouse? Pat them on the back and say go git 'em.

It couldn't happen to nicer people.
Watch where you spit.

If the Moslems ever start getting peaceful, we can always poke 'em with a stick.
Posted by: Threater Flusoper9823 || 12/10/2012 4:24 Comments || Top||

#2  The only people Mooselims prefer killing more than Jews add Christian infidels, are each other.
Posted by: RJ45ACP || 12/10/2012 22:13 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
A relatively rational Iran?
From The New York Times Haaretz:
The question of whether Iran is a rational player has for some time been a critical focus of international discussion about how to respond to Tehran's nuclear program. In Israel and abroad, those who oppose attacking Iran's nuclear sites highlight the rationality of the Islamic Republic's leadership -- something they say suggests that deterrence can be relied upon if and when Iran finally possesses nuclear weapons. Those who support targeting Iran's nuclear sites claim, among other things, that there is a big question mark regarding the degree of rationality of the Iranian leadership. As a result, they say, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to deter Iran's leaders from eventually using nuclear weapons against Israel.

Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, and particularly during the Iran-Iraq war of 1980-88, Iran has proven that it is more often driven by pragmatic policy considerations than by ideology-based decision making. However, the Iranians have not always judged correctly the reactions of their opponents, nor do they appear to be as risk-averse as Western countries, even when the lives of their own people are at stake. A question mark about the soundness of Iran's judgment arose last year with the attempt on the life of the Saudi ambassador to Washington - an act that, if carried out, could have led to war with the United States.

It's possible that Iran would act against Israel, despite the risks to its own survival, for two main reasons. The first is the central role of religious-messianic considerations among the Iranian leadership. The second reason is that this regime has pledged itself to Israel's annihilation and is acquiring the means to accomplish it. The question whether the Iranians are rational seems to split Israeli decision-making circles.

When using the term "rationality," one needs to recognize that it can have a relative component - for example, two rational actors could reach different conclusions when faced with the same circumstances and data. Human beings, including leaders, are often hard pressed to choose between alternatives and may be influenced by ideology, intuition, culture and political and institutional biases. Iranian leaders thus could be no less rational than their Israeli or American counterparts, but may reach different conclusions when confronting the same circumstances.

Thus, even if we assume that Iran is a rational actor, it is difficult to understand the calculations that guide its leadership, and to predict its decisions and behavior in crisis situations. In addition, there is incomplete information about the decision-making process in Iran, as well as the quality of information that the supreme leader enjoys.

For reasons besides the degree of rationality of the Iranian regime, political factors, geographical proximity and technological issues will also complicate the stability of a future mutually deterrent environment between Israel and Iran. There is also the possibility that Iranian nuclear weapons could be used without the explicit intention of the leadership. Iran has not yet institutionalized its nuclear doctrine and system of operations and has a history of a defective chain of command that could lead to unauthorized use. The first years after achieving nuclear capability are the most dangerous and portend crises, which can be accompanied by the threat of escalation because of the temptation of others to destroy the capability as long as it is nascent, and the possibility of using it in a conventional conflict (use it or lose it ).

There is a need for further examination of scenarios in which Iran eventually becomes nuclear, even if doing so would be interpreted by some as accepting a nuclear Iran. It is insufficient to consider Iran's rationality in terms of either yes or no. Rather, we must seek insight into Iranian nuclear decision making based on its own sense of rationality. This effort could help us identify essential preparations and arrangements on our part that are not yet being considered.
Posted by: Pappy || 12/10/2012 00:00 || Comments || Link || E-Mail|| [212 views] Top||

#1  Iran has received much criticism over the years for its alleged support + propagation of International terror - IMO its fair to say that Iran recognizes it will again be heavily criticized, iff not attacked, iff Radical Islam's Hard/Burqua Boyz go de facto Nuke-WMD, hence its hallowed "JAPAN/EGYPT" NUCLEAR MODEL.

Iran does desire to ultimately be the world's first ISLAMIC/MUSLIM GLOBAL NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER, for which possession of NucWeaps by Iran will be required - however, Iran also does NOT desire to be attacked while its NucProg + future Nuclear Arsenal is still budding, hence again its reliance for time being on NUKE-ARMED PAKISTAN, REGIONAL + TRANS-REGIONAL PRO-ISLAMIST, PRO- NUCLEAR "ARAB SPRINGS", + ANTI-US NATIONS to deter or defend from outside attack until Iran is ready.

Lest we fergit, as the US + Western World
"steadily decline", IRAN + MUSLIM WORLD + CHINA ASCEND.

Yes, Iran is being quite rational, but NOT because it is interested in peace or the status quo or "post-US" Empire.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 12/10/2012 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Most people are essentially cowards. There is nobody in the EUroweeny who isn't. The UN is worthless. They always were.

The US is led by a man who wouldn't fight for his own mother. ( but have you seen his mother? I wouldn't fight for that either). So what does that leave us?

Israel can't carry the fight alone. Its too big a risk to start a war with no backing except guys wearing yellow suits and pink ties.

The US no longer has balls and the days of the Big Johnson are as dead as Johnson himself. Its all Bush's fault and Katrina too.
Gay marriage and legalized Pot are what we got. Ain't it Hot?

Iran is going to get the bomb, then they will get cruise missiles. And then they will tell you what's what ,and slap you in the snot.

And you will bend over because that is what most of you are. Have a good day, Dwayne.
Posted by: Threater Flusoper9823 || 12/10/2012 4:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Their younger generation are rational and want freedom.I see the same thing in Egypt.
Posted by: Flineger Elmilet5035 || 12/10/2012 7:59 Comments || Top||



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