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9/11/2018: On this day, we remember
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Britain
Nine asylum seekers a week are found to be lying about being children in desperate bids to stay in Britain
[DailyMail] Over the past three years three out of five asylum seekers whose age was checked after they claimed to be under 18 were found to be adults.

The Home Office statistics revealed 2,336 cases where the claims to be a child were disputed and then checked. Of these, 1,403 turned out to be over 18.

More than seven out of ten unaccompanied Vietnamese child asylum seekers whose ages were investigated – around 100 in all – were actually adults. A similar percentage of child claimants from Iran and Iraq whose cases were checked were also discovered to be adults.
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Moslem Colonists

#1  They should be checking ALL of them.

Why are people from vietnam getting asylum?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 09/11/2018 7:47 Comments || Top||

#2  I love how the lead with the Vietnamese before admitting "a similar percentage" of Muslims are pulling the same stunt. I suspect the percentage is similar but the numbers are much, much different.
Posted by: Rob Crawford || 09/11/2018 7:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Why are people from vietnam getting asylum?

Saudi's need servants.
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 11:55 Comments || Top||

#4  Nine found out, how many squeak by?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/11/2018 12:37 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Why these 9/11 monsters still haven't faced a trial
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/11/2018 08:22 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  Never forget, never forgive.
Posted by: JohnQC || 09/11/2018 8:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Lawyers and Political Correctness would be my guess as to why.
Posted by: airandee || 09/11/2018 8:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Discovery:

In Law, “discovery” is the exchange of legal information and known facts of a case. Think of discovery as obtaining and disclosing the evidence and position of each side of a case so that all parties involved can decide what their best options are – move forward toward trial or negotiate an early settlement.

Parties in a case are required to participate in the discovery process, meaning they must hand over information and evidence about a claim so all participants can know what they are facing at trial.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/11/2018 9:14 Comments || Top||

#4  The Lightbringer was a source of significant delay.
Posted by: Bobby || 09/11/2018 9:41 Comments || Top||

#5  They belong in Guantanamo prison as spies, according to the Geneva Conventions, not on American soil getting tried as if they had the same rights as civilians, including a presumption of innocence, The only “trial” they deserve is an examination by military intelligence — and possibly the CIA — after which the prison governor or his designated officers should decide how to dispose of them.

So the fact that they’ve waited this long for their time in court doesn’t bother me in the least.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2018 10:50 Comments || Top||

#6  should decide how to dispose of them
what's left.
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 14:02 Comments || Top||

#7 
"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them. "
George W. Bush, September 11th 2001

"These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act, and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate."
George W. Bush, Statement To Joint Session Of Congress September 20th 2001

"In remarks endorsed by the US secretary of state, Colin Powell, Gen Musharraf said any post-Taliban government in Kabul should be "broad-based" and "multi-ethnic". It could include the "former king Zahir Shah, political leaders, moderate Taliban leaders, elements from the Northern Alliance, tribal leaders and Afghans living outside their country", he added. "
The Guardian, October 17th 2001

The Western political class has never been serious about 9/11 and this is one of the consequences of this political decision.

At present, a trial would endanger both Western appeasement of the Taliban and relations with the Saudis.

So it won't happen.
Posted by: Elmerert Hupens2660 || 09/11/2018 14:34 Comments || Top||

#8  So if it can't happen, then feed them to the sharks in GitMo bay.
Posted by: 3dc || 09/11/2018 15:34 Comments || Top||

#9  Such things should be done discretely.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/11/2018 15:37 Comments || Top||

#10  Would have been all over had we gone full Mongol. Our 'friends' would hate us (as they do behind our back anyway), but no one would dare screw with us as so many have since. We wouldn't be stuck in Central Asia other than cleaning up green glass.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/11/2018 16:39 Comments || Top||

#11  ...If they're dead, they're martyrs. If they're convicted, they're an incentive to other terrs to do even worse things to make us free them.

'Awaiting trial'....they're nothing.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 09/11/2018 17:10 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Palestinians say US attacks international law with UN funding cuts
Palestinian Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki described on Tuesday President Donald Trump's decision to halt US funding for the United Nations Palestinian refugee agency UNRWA as an attack on international law.

Trump's decision has left UNRWA trying to cover a $200 million shortfall from Gulf and European donors, and has further strained tensions between Washington and the Palestinian leadership.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/11/2018 12:51 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The one that says they have a right to our money? That one?
Posted by: NoMoreBS || 09/11/2018 12:57 Comments || Top||

#2  ...as an attack on international law.

Guess you're gonna have to sue us!
Posted by: Raj || 09/11/2018 15:13 Comments || Top||

#3  They didn't complain about it when we started giving them the money.
Posted by: gorb || 09/11/2018 15:53 Comments || Top||

#4  It's certainly against the law of jizya. Pay up infidels.
Posted by: Sliling Dribble4529 || 09/11/2018 16:26 Comments || Top||

#5  So... international law demands we give our money to parasites and terrorists?

No wonder Bolton told the ICC to fuck off.
Posted by: DarthVader || 09/11/2018 18:41 Comments || Top||


UNRWA seeking more funds from Gulf, Europe after U.S. cuts
CAIRO (Reuters) - A U.N. agency that supports Palestinian refugees will target additional funding from Gulf states and European partners as it seeks to make up a $200 million shortfall caused by a U.S. aid cutoff, the agency’s head said on Monday.

Nothing personal, it's the donor fatigue. You've been around for thousands of years before us. Please find a way to feed your own people.
Posted by: Besoeker || 09/11/2018 05:31 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  70 years and billions' dollars of UNRWA existence failed to provide the solution to Jewish problem.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/11/2018 6:15 Comments || Top||

#2  I'm sure the pledges will come faster than the checks. Not quite the violent solution as was Sri Lanka seemingly never ending problem, but it a good start.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/11/2018 7:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Were it up to me, any country we give aid to that is found donating to "Palestine" would be shorted 3x whatever they donated. The rest would have to deal with 3x tariffs.
Posted by: gorb || 09/11/2018 15:58 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
Philippines, Bangladesh to procure 100 Kaplan medium tanks
[Defence-Blog] The Philippines and Bangladesh have put in an order for 100 Kaplan medium tanks which are co-produced by Turkish defense contractor FNSS and Indonesia’s PT Pindad, said Windu Paramata, the head of the medium tank project at Pindad.

That was reported by the Anadolu Agency.

Paramata said the two countries had expressed willingness to buy 40 to 50 units each.

“In October, we will be demonstrating medium tanks there, as a condition for the procurement of defense equipment in their countries,” Paramata told Anadolu Agency on Friday.

Paramata said the Indonesian Ministry of Defense also mulled purchasing the Kaplan tanks but the ministry was still evaluating the number of units to be procured.

Paramata said the Indonesian Army’s Research and Development Agency had certified the medium tank earlier this year. Also, Paramata praised the Turkish-Indonesian battle tank as featuring the most recent technology in the global defense industry.

Poland followed suit in producing a similar tank, Paramata said, adding, however, that the country was still at the concept stage.

Paramata said the medium tank is suitable for use in countries with only two seasons in Southeast Asia, such as Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, and the Philippines as well as in four-season countries as it can operate at a maximum temperature of 50 degrees Celsius, and at a minimum temperature of – 30 degrees Celsius.

The Kaplan MT tank’s prototype was first exhibited at the 13th International Defense Industry Fair held last May. A CMI Cockerill 3105 tower — equipped to fire high-pressured 105mm shells — provides the tank’s firepower.

Diesel-engine powered, the tank has a full automatic transmission and is able to carry three crew members — a driver, shooter and commander. With a maximum speed of 70 kilometers per hour (43.4 miles per hour) the vehicle’s range is 450 kilometers (280 miles).

Ballistic guards protect the tank’s body and the vehicle has add-on armor. In addition, the tank’s belly is guarded against mines. It also has a secondary weapon in the shape of a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun.
Posted by: badanov || 09/11/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Adequate to keep the locals down but not take on a first class power.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/11/2018 7:28 Comments || Top||

#2  Rohingya and AS control
Posted by: Frank G || 09/11/2018 9:05 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
China Willing to Assist Syrian Army in Idlib Offensive
[SPUTNIKNEWS] Although China has provided political support to Damascus and is widely expected to play an important role in Syria’s post-war reconstruction, Beijing has so far shied away from offering direct military support to the Syrian Army.

Chinese Ambassador to Syria Qi Qianjin has suggested Beijing could soon deploy forces to assist the Syrian Army in its upcoming Idlib offensive, in addition to anti-terrorist operations in other parts of the country.

Speaking to Syria’s al-Watan newspaper on Thursday, the Chinese diplomat said they are monitoring the conflict, adding that the Chinese military "is willing to participate in some way alongside the Syrian Army that is fighting the snuffies in Idlib and in any other part of Syria."

Posted by: Fred || 09/11/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Syria

#1  Appears a Biblical a catastrophic prophecy is about to be fulfilled regarding Damascus, Syria.
Posted by: Ebbavirt Clunk4147 || 09/11/2018 2:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Something about Gog and Magog, was it?
Posted by: Fred || 09/11/2018 3:37 Comments || Top||

#3  I am sensing something more in line with Isaiah 17:1 and soon after comes Ezekiel 38:39 that you are referencing.
Posted by: Ebbavirt Clunk4147 || 09/11/2018 4:13 Comments || Top||

#4  Advisability aside, how exactly would any element of the Chinese army deploy to Syria? Sail an amphibious fleet through the straits of Hormuz?
Posted by: Matt || 09/11/2018 11:19 Comments || Top||

#5  how exactly would any element of the Chinese army deploy to Syria

Is China Increasing Its Military Presence in Syria?

Chinese Night Tigers Special Forces Arrive in Syria
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 11:49 Comments || Top||

#6  5000 Chinese servicemen would make a difference in Assad,s war.
Posted by: jvalentour || 09/11/2018 12:57 Comments || Top||

#7  Stepping on the Russians toes. 2x2 into the sea until the end of time.
Posted by: Chris || 09/11/2018 17:59 Comments || Top||


Idlib: UN warns of ‘humanitarian catastrophe’ as 30,000 Syrians displaced
The question was asked the other day about the size of the civilian population at risk in the current battle space. Herewith is the answer.
[Rudaw] Idlib, the last rebel held enclave in Syria, faces "the worst humanitarian catastrophe" of the century, the United Nations
...a formerly good idea gone bad...
warned on Monday. More than 30,000 civilians have already been displaced since fresh bombing raids began last week.

"There needs to be ways of dealing with this problem that doesn’t turn the next few months in Idlib into the worst humanitarian catastrophe with the biggest loss of life in the 21st century," the UN’s new humanitarian chief, Mark Lowcock, told news hounds in Geneva, AFP reports.

On Saturday, the "most violent" Russian air strikes in weeks hit southern and southeastern areas of Idlib, leaving four civilians dead according to the UK-based war monitor, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

"We are extremely alarmed at the situation, because of the number of the people and the vulnerability of the people," Lowcock said, warning that "civilians are severely at risk".

The population of Idlib has swelled over the years of conflict with the arrival of hundreds of thousands of internally displaced Syrians.

There are currently around three million people in the province, according to UN estimates.

"As of September 9, 30,542 people have been displaced from northwest Syria, moving to different areas across Idlib," David Swanson, front man for the UN office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UNOCHA), told Rooters.

Damascus, which is backed by its allies Iran and Russia, is preparing a major offensive on Idlib and other areas of northwest Syria to bring them under regime control.

The offensive could lead to a humanitarian nightmare as there are no more opposition areas left in Syria for people to flee to and borders are mostly closed to refugees.

UN humanitarian chief Lowcock said the UN and other aid agencies already have measures in place provide immediate assistance to fleeing civilians.

"We are very actively preparing for the possibility that civilians move in huge numbers in multiple directions," he said.

Lowcock said the UN is doing "very detailed planning" to reach up to 800,000 displaced civilians and expects around 100,000 people to flee into government controlled areas with the remaining 700,000 initially fleeing attacks to other areas of Idlib.

The UN’s World Food Program has already prepared stocks of food for some 850,000 displaced people, he said.

"It is a very major preoccupation for us," Lowcock added.

Having retaken the suburbs of Damascus from the armed opposition, and regained control over Daraa ‐ the cradle of the 2011 uprising that morphed into Syria’s seven-year civil war ‐ Syrian Hereditary President-for-Life Bashir Pencilneck al-Assad
Leveler of Latakia...
has now set his sights on the country’s northern provinces.

Idlib, which straddles the Ottoman Turkish border, is mostly under the control of Hay’at Tahrir al-Sham
(HTS) ‐ a battle-hardened umbrella group of jihadists led by al-Qaeda’s former Syrian affiliate. Pockets of the province remain under ISIS control.

Complicating matters, the Ottoman Turkish armed forces also have several outposts in Idlib in support of rebel groups. Moves by Assad risk pitting Russian-backed Syrian forces against Ottoman Turkish soldiers.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [8 views] Top|| File under: al-Nusra

#1  Takes one to know one?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 09/11/2018 2:20 Comments || Top||

#2  About the number we kill on our highways every year.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 09/11/2018 7:32 Comments || Top||

#3  Another worst humanitarian catastrophe of the century? Seems like everything's an 11.
Posted by: gorb || 09/11/2018 15:59 Comments || Top||

#4  Let me guess. Donate money?
Posted by: Chris || 09/11/2018 18:00 Comments || Top||


Iran nuclear chief: New Natanz nuclear facility producing advanced centrifuges
[IsraelTimes] Ali Akbar Salehi says Tehran mulling withdrawal from nuclear deal, warns ’everyone will suffer’ if 2015 accord collapses entirely

Iranian nuclear chief Ali Akbar Salehi told state media on Sunday that a facility to produce advanced centrifuges at the Natanz nuclear plant has been completed.

Salehi, the head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, told the official IRNA news agency that [supreme leader Ayatollah] "Khamenei ordered us to set up and complete a very advanced hall for the construction of modern centrifuges, and this hall has now been fully equipped and set up," according to Rooters.

Salehi said Khamenei had also instructed to begin development of nuclear-powered ships, and that project would take 10-15 years to complete.

Though he said the nuclear-powered ships and new centrifuges would operate within the limits of the nuclear deal Iran signed with world powers, Salehi warned that Tehran was considering abandoning the accord in the wake of the US withdrawal earlier this year.

Salehi suggested Iran "might... suspend some of the limitations within the nuclear agreement, for example on the volume and level of enrichment."

"And the final scenario can be a complete exit from the nuclear accord, which I hope will never happen, with the help of [the remaining signatories], because everyone would suffer," he was quoted as saying.

Under the 2015 deal ‐ which limits Iran’s nuclear program in return for sanctions relief ‐ Tehran is allowed to build and test parts for advanced centrifuges with certain restrictions on quantity.

Following the withdrawal of the United States in May, the other parties ‐ Britannia, La Belle France, Germany, China, Russia and the EU ‐ have vowed to provide Iran with enough economic benefits to keep the agreement alive.

But Tehran is increasingly skeptical that those countries can counter the effects of renewed US sanctions, which have already battered Iran’s economy.

Iran has repeatedly said it will resume high-level uranium enrichment if the agreement falls apart.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2018 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under: Govt of Iran

#1  Good. Now we know where they are.
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 14:04 Comments || Top||


Government
The U.S. will increase the number of immigration judges by 50 percent to take on a ballooning backlog that has grown 38 percent under the Trump administration
Posted by: Skidmark || 09/11/2018 06:04 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under: Human Trafficking

#1  Good.
Posted by: trailing wife || 09/11/2018 10:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Wouldn't it be cheaper to just let them in?

Yes, that's sarcasm. Unless you're a lefty.
Posted by: Bobby || 09/11/2018 10:47 Comments || Top||



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Tue 2018-09-11
  9/11/2018: On this day, we remember
Mon 2018-09-10
  84 dead in fighting in Yemen's Hodeida after talks fail
Sun 2018-09-09
  Battle for Idlib & Hama finally begins
Sat 2018-09-08
  Syrian army advances in al-Safa, killing over 40 turbans, 1000+ trapped on volcano
Fri 2018-09-07
  Houthis fire missiles toward two southern Saudi airports, hit one
Thu 2018-09-06
  Two major Syrian Army divisions head toward Hama for upcoming offensive
Wed 2018-09-05
  Al Qaeda trying to regain primacy as Islamic State loses ground: NATO
Tue 2018-09-04
  Jalaluddin Haqqani joins the Choir Eternal
Mon 2018-09-03
  Islamists militants in northeast Nigeria kill up to 30 48 soldiers: Sources
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  Yemen’s army imposes full control over Saada’s Al-Zaher directorate
Sat 2018-09-01
  Dutch police shoot suspect after he stabs two people at an Amsterdam train station
Fri 2018-08-31
  ISIS leader Yasir Khurasani killed with 5 comrades in Nangarhar drone strike
Thu 2018-08-30
  Egyptian forces kill 20 militants in Sinai operation: Army
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  Syrian Army foils ISIL breakout attempt in east Sweida
Tue 2018-08-28
  Idlib: Nusra arrest 20 ISIS turbans, Gov’t closes key crossing


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